Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hate to be a **** but....when the top posts from your fellow fw players are whines about warp stabs in fw plexes it is apparently hard for fw to get 2-4 people to overpower the warp stabs to tackle and drop targets. If fw can't get this done with just 2-4 people, you tell me how easy it is to get 20 people working right.




Also I said I wanted to see a mail or real info of some kind. I smell wt kill personally but I would go I am impressed If I saw a real deal api checked km for a gank. Under a war dec...I can get 20 people to kill a charon with 20 noob ships. It take forever, but it would die.

What? How do you consider the amount that die as "few"?
8 died in Niarja yesterday alone. And that's a weekday.
With overheated T2 catalysts you actually need less than 10 people, and they need to be able to target and shoot, nothing more.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20012022
This one was 13 catalysts and a noobship (noobship probably to trigger logoff timer).
So assuming they are T2s, that's 130m of catalysts at a standard fit, making the freighter profitable if carrying more than 260m (which in this case he had a lot more). 130m for a freighter gank? Yes please, I can provide 4 gank characters alone.


This is onoe of those moronic standard responses that assume that
a) CCP are unable to balance changes without a nerf
and
b) that the freighters would not in fact be buffed to bring their EHP to a more reasonable level.

I'm personally a fan of giving freighters slots and moving more HP from hull to shield, so people can choose to tank against a single damage time or omnitank, etc.
As they currently are, they are boring, no choice in fittings, no right way or wrong way to fit them. A simple spreadsheet can calculate how many catas it will take to drop any freighter, with no variation based on fit. It would be nice to have to scan a freighter and figure out how to gank that particular fit, rather than the current fixed EHP system.


In a prepped system you actually get 25 seconds of gank so you require considerably less than this.

Compared to the amount of freighters that pass through there daily, yes, that's very few. Currently eve-kill lists 210 dead freighters/jump freighters, that is 14 freighters per day, including kills in low/null/WH-space and wartarget kills. In all of Eve. So, yeah, that is very few.



Good. If freighter ganking is so easy and profitable, why do so few freighters die (compared to the number of freighters flying in Eve)? And why do so few freighters worth 300M ISK die?

You still need bumpers, suicide aggressors and a looter. And even then you can't be sure to actually get any of the loot because other people can freely shoot the looter. A single griffin will stop 3 gank catalysts from dealing damage, 4 blackbirds will easily stop a gank.

Freighters are fine as it is, they could do with a slight increase in warp speed and agility, but their tank certainly is enough, or else there would be more dead freighters.



True, but 1.) not all systems are properly prepped, 2.) sometimes CONCORD forgets that the system was prepped and arrives at the non-prepped time. (I failed multiple ganks due to having 5-6 seconds less than expected.)

In fact it is really easy to do.. And multiboxing can do it easily.

But it is also very easy to make a freighter gankproof, or at least scanproof.

First, get an alt, then get a Rapier, fit 2-3 webbers and learn Recon Ships at least to 4.
This will get you a 34km webbing ship, which is enough for nearly every distance after a jump.

So you will have an align time of something round one second, which is just limited by the targeting time of the Rapier. The fastest Cargo-Scanner needs 3 seconds + targeting time.
And noone will gank a freighter, if it is not scanned.

Ok, you need two accounts for this thing, but if you do so, you can haul 100 Mrd in a freighter, with no risk at all. (If you don't tell anyone ^^)
It is much safer, than this courier-container thing. In this case the scanner WILL see that you hide something...and nobody hauls empty containers. But I don't fly my freighter without my Rapier-Webbing-Escort, even if the freighter is empty.

And last but not least...you are fast as hell ^^

Honestly, freighters are fine the way they are. They trade durability and speed for capacity. Want something fast for general cargo? Get an industrial. Want something fast and sizable for a specific item? See if one of the new specialized industrials work.

There's a reason sending something on the real life version is called "slow boating".

Freighters need reasonable fitting choices, yes.

Give them a choice between cargospace, agility, warpspeed and tank.

they chose cargospace over everything else when they undocked in freighter. but that doesnt mean that they dont have any choices left: they can have shield/armor links for (a bit) more tank, neutral logi ship(s), corpmate in webbing frigate for faster warp-off, Nomad implant set for better agility. With Rubicon expansion they'll have choice to use Ascendancy implant set for faster warp speeds.
You cannot counter organized groups with solo play - that is true for every MMO. Also all those killmails show those freighters were carrying 3+bil of goods which puts a big "GANK ME" sign on them. Even more so if they had no support or used autopilot.

Every time I see someone whining about freighters being too fragile, I just have to laugh. They're great the way they are.