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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#121 - 2013-11-11 17:14:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Fey Ivory wrote:
No

i have nothing against going after, afk miners, extortion, scamming, or the like, thats part of EvE, but what my objection is, is that Ero and the code is probably one of the main reason beginners give up and leave Eve of late, i see it fairly often in cas, and like anything in Eve wheter you try to gank, or extort, its not hard to do alittle back ground check or scanning... and picking on beginners that barely know what they do, is just plain poor judgement, and not a person id like to represent the entire EvE comunity... thank you


All of the people in the bonus round, sans 1 that I know of, were veteran players. It is not their naivety that drives them to ruin - but their own greed and lack of faith.

Also, can you site some of these "many cases" of new players leaving EVE specifically because of the CODE? Thanks.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2013-11-11 17:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: oOReikaOo Michiko
(TL;DR last paragraph)
The New Order and Erotica 1 have and always will be a for profit organization.

When I say for profit, I dont mean the mining permits, the goal of the New Order has and always will be to control miners ability to mine so that they can control the market. I've talked extensively with xxBLACK SKULLxx 929 and Erotica 1 on the issue.

"already being done on a discrete basis. I've advocated for alterations without success. the permit fees go to the agents not the general fund. I have been wanting to start a permanent ice interdiction. join my corp and start recruiting gankers. I would charge some sort of ice fee that is much higher for noncompliants. it will take some time to craft the exact story, but longer term I envision all the highsec ice belts livestreamed and effectively locked down, only available to specially trained ice miners skilled in careful cultivation so not to harm the environment"

Now dont get me wrong, I wanted to do the very same thing but only through a Miners Union, we are all out to make a buck. I just find it funny that he's running on a platform to support ALL players , which of course, is a load of horse manure. What would Erotica 1 do with a CSM seat? Honestly the New Orders hate for highsec is strong, if you want another CSM who wants to obliterate it, I suggest voting for him because thats what hes likely to push for.

I've done back room deals with these people for a while now, and most of them don't even know I do deals with their bosses. Some view me as the crazy cat lady, some as the chick they want to see boobs from, but I can tell you the New Orders top people aren't as dumb as the low level cat pilots and have even higher backers then James and Black Skull.

They were careful to not speak to me in anything but TS and even then wont comment on specifics because of fears of recording. All in all the New Order and Erotica are being used to spear head a much bigger movement.

\o/ but again, this is EVE , thats kinda how it works. No one really thought the New Order blew up EVERY miner did they?

I can guarantee they will change the shape of Eve in a big way if given the power to, the question is, will it break Eve, or just make it different.

Ill toss my vote in X . Not because I support Erotica 1 cause hes a POS MF asshat, but because I think the game is stagnant and boring and could be much more. Throw a stick of dynamite into the sandbox and stir up the sand people. Its about to get fun.

*edit* Shameless plug, hes also a huge sexist piece of ****, but I dont think the 4% women vote is what hes after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#123 - 2013-11-11 17:20:58 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
derp


I tried reading your post, but as I got about half-way through it I realized it was a gigantic call for attention and legitimacy. Whenever someone great like Erotica 1 rises to the forefront, there will always be those little fish who try to swim along for the ride and get famous-by-association.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-11-11 17:21:56 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
derp


I tried reading your post, but as I got about half-way through it I realized it was a gigantic call for attention and legitimacy. Whenever someone great like Erotica 1 rises to the forefront, there will always be those little fish who try to swim along for the ride and get famous-by-association.


Read the last paragraph for the TL;DR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

Za'afiel
Imperceptible Bedevilment
#125 - 2013-11-11 17:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Za'afiel
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Za'afiel wrote:
100m isk for my vote Twisted

Now, that's democracy.


Is that the American way?


Do I look American? :p

I'm from Poland. Our political parties get money from the national budget.
However we hunt polar bears, do not now the fridge yet, we have no hot water (to be healthy) and we all go to church everyday...so what do we know Big smile

It's a game, I want my 100m isk for my vote, I didn't get it yet, so I start to believe that other candidates have a better plan for EVE...Bear

btw. Josef, are you from Georgia?

Shoot them all! Be polite.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2013-11-11 17:33:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lol, It makes no difference who is on the CSM, CCP will do what ever they want to regardless. CSM is nothing more then a meat shield for CCP.

That is why its good to vote people like Erotica 1 because at the very least we get some entertainment.

It really doesn't matter what Erotica 1 does, who Erotica 1 is affiliated with, who's alt Erotica 1 is, whether you believe Erotica 1 is nothing more the a big goon scam, Erotica 1 provides entertainment and in no way will effect anything that CCP does.

So vote for Erotica 1 so we can have 12 months of more entertaining posts Big smile

Best response yet, Apparently Erotica 1 is the Zaphod Beeblebrox of eve. How is growing the second head coming along?

I'll listen to the townhall stuff when I get home and make my decision then (and once I see the other candidates).

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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-11-11 17:38:51 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Fey Ivory wrote:
No

i have nothing against going after, afk miners, extortion, scamming, or the like, thats part of EvE, but what my objection is, is that Ero and the code is probably one of the main reason beginners give up and leave Eve of late, i see it fairly often in cas, and like anything in Eve wheter you try to gank, or extort, its not hard to do alittle back ground check or scanning... and picking on beginners that barely know what they do, is just plain poor judgement, and not a person id like to represent the entire EvE comunity... thank you


All of the people in the bonus round, sans 1 that I know of, were veteran players. It is not their naivety that drives them to ruin - but their own greed and lack of faith.

Also, can you site some of these "many cases" of new players leaving EVE specifically because of the CODE? Thanks.


As i said, what happens to people that have some concepts on how the game works, i doubt the begginers i am pointing to would ewen pick a event up like that ;P

Why not take a few weeks in a beginner corp and listen around, or give them a tip or two... if that isent good for you, Osmon a few months back, i actually had this conversation in local with Rick, and he was rather smug about it, why dont you ask him yourself ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2013-11-11 17:39:08 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
derp


I tried reading your post, but as I got about half-way through it I realized it was a gigantic call for attention and legitimacy. Whenever someone great like Erotica 1 rises to the forefront, there will always be those little fish who try to swim along for the ride and get famous-by-association.
Reika is a pretend new person that "introduced" herself onto the forums
a few weeks ago ... or a month.
Something.

She seems to lack friends in real life, or at least people she can communicate with,
which i can conclude out of her behaviour on the forums. Could be wrong.
Could be situational. Timing. There definitely is something in her character
that makes her go "all in" and she seems to have a bit of a short temper.
She's not necessarily consciously attention seeking,
but that's pretty much the bottom line of her actions.

Besides, most people don't seek attention consciously.
They just do.


Her first threads also indicate that she isn't actually new to online communities,
or at least to forums. For my taste, she seemed a bit too familiar, but well.
She has a few shady attributes, sometimes i get the feeling she's a bit of a hyperactive,
sometimes it seems she's partly a hypocrite, but as of yet, i can't tell for sure.


For payment, i will weed through all the data and create you a more sophisticated
description of her persona. I'm not doing this **** for free, you know.
Usually also not via text.


There is reason to assume that she actually is a well timed character of
an already known person. Not that it matters anyway.


You're welcome.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#129 - 2013-11-11 17:40:13 UTC
Since CCP Falcon has said:
Quote:
For clarity, I'd like to say the following:

This situation was brought to our attention on Friday, and was re-investigated by Customer Support over the course of the weekend, after taking into consideration the concerns presented by the community.

As such, the circumstances surrounding this issue have been revisited, and the proper action has been taken in line with our policies.

CCP will however, not share information with third parties regarding action taken against individual players or accounts. We can assure everyone that no one is exempt from the rules and that Customer Support will act in accordance to the EULA and ToS when determining the proper action against any offending account or character.

This makes our position on the matter clear. Any further threads relating to this issue will be regarded as spam, will be closed in accordance with our moderation policy, and will be redirected to this message.


See: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3859785#post3859785

I would suggest we refrain from talking about that issue in this thread. Unless of course ya'll want this thread locked.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2013-11-11 17:41:19 UTC
Perhaps. I will listen to the recordings and make a decision. Good luck though.
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2013-11-11 17:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: oOReikaOo Michiko
Solstice Project wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=oOReikaOo Michiko]derp


Long quote.


Thats surprisingly close to the truth.

Feel free to ask Erotica for his logs though, im sure he will be happy to fill you in on the other half.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-11-11 17:48:33 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Thats surprisingly close to the truth.

Feel free to ask Erotica for his logs though, im sure he will be happy to fill you in on the other half.
Of course it is. :)
But not surprising, really.
At least not to me.



Logs ? No. That'd be boring.

All i need is already there. Just need to look through your posts.
That, though, is quite more effort than simply reading what i happen to find
when browsing the forums and replying to threads.

I doubt anybody would be willing to pay me for this.


But besides that, it's not actually important.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#133 - 2013-11-11 17:50:41 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Fey Ivory wrote:
No

i have nothing against going after, afk miners, extortion, scamming, or the like, thats part of EvE, but what my objection is, is that Ero and the code is probably one of the main reason beginners give up and leave Eve of late, i see it fairly often in cas, and like anything in Eve wheter you try to gank, or extort, its not hard to do alittle back ground check or scanning... and picking on beginners that barely know what they do, is just plain poor judgement, and not a person id like to represent the entire EvE comunity... thank you


All of the people in the bonus round, sans 1 that I know of, were veteran players. It is not their naivety that drives them to ruin - but their own greed and lack of faith.

Also, can you site some of these "many cases" of new players leaving EVE specifically because of the CODE? Thanks.


As i said, what happens to people that have some concepts on how the game works, i doubt the begginers i am pointing to would ewen pick a event up like that ;P

Why not take a few weeks in a beginner corp and listen around, or give them a tip or two... if that isent good for you, Osmon a few months back, i actually had this conversation in local with Rick, and he was rather smug about it, why dont you ask him yourself ?


So no citations of players who have quit over the New Order?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#134 - 2013-11-11 17:56:56 UTC
No.

I have no issues with ganking. I have no issue with miner bumping. I have no issue with scamming in local.

However, when someone spends hours stringing someone along in a humiliating scam for their own amusement purposely causing them to lose all their skill points and quit Eve, that crosses the line from roleplaying a bad person to actually being a bad person. This happened to a new player from my corp. Erotica 1 is a bad person and we shouldn't have someone on the CSM whose career in game is making people quit Eve.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-11-11 18:06:46 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
No vote from me. Fail to see what a scammer can do to support anyone, other than themselves. Shocked


I understand some will feel this way. I hope after you listen to the full recording and participate in other events, I can change your mind. If not, I understand why. However, I'd like you to open your mind to the possibility of what I propose.


Oh, and obviously...


X

**** recordings, get the stuff in writing and post it somewhere.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2013-11-11 18:10:42 UTC
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
No.

I have no issues with ganking. I have no issue with miner bumping. I have no issue with scamming in local.

However, when someone spends hours stringing someone along in a humiliating scam for their own amusement purposely causing them to lose all their skill points and quit Eve, that crosses the line from roleplaying a bad person to actually being a bad person. This happened to a new player from my corp. Erotica 1 is a bad person and we shouldn't have someone on the CSM whose career in game is making people quit Eve.

The house always wins. This is news how?
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-11-11 18:13:00 UTC
Whilst I think it's funny blowing up miners, I do not approve of the Code. So it's a no.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#138 - 2013-11-11 18:14:38 UTC
No one can make anyone else do anything. Players are responsible for the choices they make. Erotic 1 is not responsible for anyone's choices but his own.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-11-11 18:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Fey Ivory
Jake Warbird wrote:
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
No.

I have no issues with ganking. I have no issue with miner bumping. I have no issue with scamming in local.

However, when someone spends hours stringing someone along in a humiliating scam for their own amusement purposely causing them to lose all their skill points and quit Eve, that crosses the line from roleplaying a bad person to actually being a bad person. This happened to a new player from my corp. Erotica 1 is a bad person and we shouldn't have someone on the CSM whose career in game is making people quit Eve.

The house always wins. This is news how?


nothing against that the house wins, though its good if the player comes back to play again, thats good house policy ;P
stoicfaux
#140 - 2013-11-11 18:15:01 UTC
If I 'x' will I get my 'x' doubled?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.