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I heard through the grapevine that if you share accounts and the other person...

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1 - 2013-11-11 15:17:55 UTC
does something daft and causes your account to lose things, that CCP will refund it because it's kinda mean that someone else can cause damage to your characters that way

is this true y/n

I currently don't share accounts because it's clearly against the TOS, but CCP seem to think otherwise recently...
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#2 - 2013-11-11 15:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Not sure if serious?

I would hope that CCP are not refunding in situations like account sharing.
I suspect you are referring to something that has happened recently (that I am obviously not aware of)

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2013-11-11 15:22:59 UTC
Heard it through the grapevine?

Are you sure you didn't hear it from the eight threads screaming it at you on the front page of this very forum section?

Mr Epeen Cool
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#4 - 2013-11-11 15:23:04 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Not sure if serious?

I would hope that CCP are not refunding in situations like account sharing.
I suspect you are referring to something that has happened recently (that I am obviously not aware of)


According to that one guys API this happened. He claims his brother was responsible for a massive loss, API seemed to agree that the loss happened, then somethingsomething API seems to show things being reset.
Noriko Mai
#5 - 2013-11-11 15:25:43 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Not sure if serious?

I would hope that CCP are not refunding in situations like account sharing.
I suspect you are referring to something that has happened recently (that I am obviously not aware of)


According to that one guys API this happened. He claims his brother was responsible for a massive loss, API seemed to agree that the loss happened, then somethingsomething API seems to show things being reset.

proof?

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#6 - 2013-11-11 15:25:56 UTC
Didn't CCP Falcon say these threads would be considered spam and locked?

INB4L
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#7 - 2013-11-11 15:26:00 UTC
I still wonder if C0ven got its supposedly because of account sharing stolen Titans reimbursed.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#8 - 2013-11-11 15:31:21 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Didn't CCP Falcon say these threads would be considered spam and locked?

INB4L


You mean lock threads that are concerned about the sandbox being interfered with, and in which EULA violations are not only being allowed to happen but appear to be given assistance?

I'd be very surprised if that happened!

*snicker*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-11-11 15:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Noriko Mai wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Not sure if serious?

I would hope that CCP are not refunding in situations like account sharing.
I suspect you are referring to something that has happened recently (that I am obviously not aware of)


According to that one guys API this happened. He claims his brother was responsible for a massive loss, API seemed to agree that the loss happened, then somethingsomething API seems to show things being reset.

proof?


From what I have seen/heard, the guy got scammed out of a lot of isk and decided to pod himself or got podded repeatedly on an alpha clone to the point where he lost 17 million SP. He then sent in a petition to the GMs stating his brother who had access to the account did it. He got back the SP and might also have got back all of the isk as well as having the killmails scrubbed from the record.

My info is sketchy on this so the story is likely to change but right now it looks like a rather bad breach of the rules by GMs.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-11-11 15:47:02 UTC
Sharing account information is against the EULA and as such, CCP would not help you in the event a friend took all your stuff because you gave him your password.

Why is this so hard for people?

FC, what do?
The Awakened34
WE-Tech Corporation
#11 - 2013-11-11 15:50:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

From what I have seen/heard, the guy got scammed out of a lot of isk and decided to pod himself or got podded repeatedly on an alpha clone to the point where he lost 17 million SP. He then sent in a petition to the GMs stating his brother who had access to the account did it. He got back the SP and might also have got back all of the isk as well as having the killmails scrubbed from the record.

My info is sketchy on this so the story is likely to change but right now it looks like a rather bad breach of the rules by GMs.


As the guy that did the podding, I can confirm that this is how things happened. As for the guy asking for proof that this all happened, I've got an API showing his current everything, and that does indeed show his SP being reset.

CCP Falcon did give a reply in the 20+ page thread that proper action had been taken in accordance with the EULA and TOS. The API I have on file SEEMS to suggest that this means at the very least a temporary ban, as his skill queue is inactive. (We all know how that doesn't happen often.) Though the SP remains at his pre-podding level.
Noriko Mai
#12 - 2013-11-11 15:50:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Not sure if serious?

I would hope that CCP are not refunding in situations like account sharing.
I suspect you are referring to something that has happened recently (that I am obviously not aware of)


According to that one guys API this happened. He claims his brother was responsible for a massive loss, API seemed to agree that the loss happened, then somethingsomething API seems to show things being reset.

proof?


From what I have seen/heard, the guy got scammed out of a lot of isk and decided to pod himself or got podded repeatedly on an alpha clone to the point where he lost 17 million SP. He then sent in a petition to the GMs stating his brother who had access to the account did it. He got back the SP and might also have got back all of the isk as well as having the killmails scrubbed from the record.

My info is sketchy on this so the story is likely to change but right now it looks like a rather bad breach of the rules by GMs.

I've read the article from erotica, too. evenews24 is more reliable...

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#13 - 2013-11-11 15:51:06 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Sharing account information is against the EULA and as such, CCP would not help you in the event a friend took all your stuff because you gave him your password.

Why is this so hard for people?


I thought it was quite straight forward too

but now it seems more nuanced than that.

Perhaps the scale of the damage done, and the level of sad puppy-ness of your pleas count for something after all
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-11-11 15:54:15 UTC
I heard through the grapevine that Erotica is quite mad at EVE GMs. Is this true? c/d

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Lady Areola Fappington
#15 - 2013-11-11 16:02:10 UTC
I'm going to take a differing perspective than my CODE buddies, on this one.

I'm OK with the whole "brother" thing. People take the metagame waaay too far at times. It would really suck if someone were to compromise my main's password, and nuke my SP to oblivion. Having the option to get that fixed, I think, is a good thing.

I know, strong passwords and all, but..folks can be *dedicated* in their revenge.

Conversely, I feel that anyone abusing the ability to fix a genuinely compromised account deserves a permaban.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-11-11 16:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Noriko Mai wrote:

I've read the article from erotica, too. evenews24 is more reliable...


Well we do know something has happened and the story is likely true. The only thing I am not sure about is if the isk that was scammed was returned or not.

If not then I dont have much of an issue, the guy likely raged after the scam, did something stupid and then got lucky in the GMs refunding his SP but landed a 2 week ban.

If they returned the isk then they have opened a rather bad abuse of the petition system.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-11-11 16:05:08 UTC
Heard it through the grapevine...

... not much loonger would you be mine .....

... oooohh heard it through the grapevine ....


.... honey honey yeeeaahhhhh ....
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-11-11 16:17:01 UTC
A 2 week queue for 17m SP and skill reset is a good deal. Where do I sign?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#19 - 2013-11-11 16:19:42 UTC
'shared' is the word some people use.
'was hacked' was the phrase used in the request to CCP.

Or so the story goes. Not exactly the same thing.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#20 - 2013-11-11 16:25:03 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I'm going to take a differing perspective than my CODE buddies, on this one.

I'm OK with the whole "brother" thing. People take the metagame waaay too far at times. It would really suck if someone were to compromise my main's password, and nuke my SP to oblivion. Having the option to get that fixed, I think, is a good thing.

I know, strong passwords and all, but..folks can be *dedicated* in their revenge.

Conversely, I feel that anyone abusing the ability to fix a genuinely compromised account deserves a permaban.


I think fixing accounts that have been "compromised" is fine

But if you allow someone else to control your account, and they do something you don't like, then it's a big no-no
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