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noob Rattlesnake question

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Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#1 - 2013-11-10 12:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmu Efrafa
hej hej!

i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)

assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys?
edit: (tanks >500 dps Blood Raiders, >900 dps Guristas)

..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys)
edit: (400 dps Hammerhead II, 580 dps Garde I, 470 dps Warden I all with launchers)


im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?

cheers, Schmu
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#2 - 2013-11-10 14:24:39 UTC
Buy faction sentries. They cost around 3mil pr drone so it is not that bad.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#3 - 2013-11-10 14:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmu Efrafa
thanks.. thats a good option.. i dunno if im going to use them tho..

40 dps more on Garde with my skills.. think i'd prefer to get Sentry Drone V and Interfacing V ASAP


but still asking: can i beat L4s with the stats that i posted?


edit: i just went to jita and bought these drones P
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#4 - 2013-11-10 20:48:26 UTC
Rattlesnakes are probably the best PvE ship, they have the best tank of any ship battleship and down and easily do 900 to 1200 DPS. The down side is they are VERY skill heavy. You need to have good shield skills, good drone skills, good missiles skills, Gal/Cald battleship to L4, I have mine to L5. But if you get your skills up you have a ship that can pretty much do any PvE, and looks great too.
Here's The Fit I use for SoE L4s

Rattlesnake

High -
- Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles
- Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles
- Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles
- Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles
- Drone Link Augmentor II
- Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium -
- Large Shield Extender II
- Large Shield Extender II
- EM Ward Ampifier II
- Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
- Shield Recharger II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
- Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
- Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
- Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
- Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rig -
- Large Core Defense Field Purger II
- Large Core Defense Field Purger II
- Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Drone -
- Garde II x5
- Bouncer II x5
- Hammerhead II x5
- Valkyrie II x5
- Hobgoblin II x5
- Warrior II x5

Does over 900DPS, shield reps 240 plus every second, all resist over 66%.


Now I know someone will ask why Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I instead of T2, well because they do everything just like the T2s but take less CPU. Sometimes Meta 4s really are better then T2s.
Second question is why fully passive, well with SoE sometimes you fight Blood Raiders, if you are fully passive they don't effect you.
Why no prop module? Well because I also have a Tengu I use, and I know my missions so I pick the ship that will perfrom best for said mission.
Why T2 rigs, well one reason is because large rigs have dropped in pirce by a lot, and second, because it isn't for PvP
Gardes are for when the targets come close, bouncers for range, don't use your medium or scout drones unless your target is within 15km to10km, and know which type to use.
This ship slightly changed can also do L5s, Sancs, and most 6 of 10 and up solo. It will need to be modified for the enemy you are engaging and you will also want to give it more rep per sec.
I544CJON35 Aldent
Incursion Omega
Cosmos Origins
#5 - 2013-11-10 22:03:25 UTC
I currently Use the rattlesnake, and have used both the passive fit and active fit. In my opinion you get more dps, range, mobility, and tank with an active tank. This is because you're not devoting tons of slots to making the shields recharge faster and whatnot.

Passive tank works for L4 missions but active is much more versatile.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#6 - 2013-11-10 22:24:45 UTC
I544CJON35 Aldent,

You are right, the active RS get's a lot more DPS and defense then the passive. You can get 1200 to 1300 DPS and have a tank that is 1600 plus OMNI tank. The passive can't tank or do the DPS the active can, but it can take being neuting with no effect, and still get a good tank and 800 to 900DPS, which for L4s is more then enough.
Want a great active tank, make sure to get a full crystal set in and at least 5% missile implants and just put a lot of drone modules on, and it will rock most anything L4 and down.
For L5s you will need the passive fit, same with some sancs, and a lot of the 10 sites.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-11-10 22:42:32 UTC
Hejsan.

yes you can do most lvl 4s with those stats, be careful about worlds collide, enemies abound, blockade.. (off the top of my head) and you should be fine.
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#8 - 2013-11-11 07:32:32 UTC
Blood Raider Blockade is super easy in an RS, even with the neuting...

Just warp to 100, deploy curators, and go make some coffee.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#9 - 2013-11-11 12:14:24 UTC
Quote:

Hejsan.

yes you can do most lvl 4s with those stats, be careful about worlds collide, enemies abound, blockade.. (off the top of my head) and you should be fine.


thats what i wanted to hear :) thanks alot!

and yes, all u others are very smart too ;P
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#10 - 2013-11-11 12:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
Good fit thaddeus, but for lvl4's you can get away with way more dps for a lazy tank by dropping a relay+recharger and running 3 hardeners and 3 drone damage amps.
There is nothing wrong with missioning lazy mode buttttt.
THE way to fly rattlers is active as that is how it really shines.
You need to have higher skills for that though or fitting for maximum damage won't be worth the loss in tank.
Edit: Be sure you tank really well when facing guristas, they use kinetic and you have high base resist but they all apply it cause they all snipe.
Vicento
Illuminati Corporation
#11 - 2013-11-11 13:23:00 UTC
Running this active one :

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Active ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Warden II x5
Garde II x5

Other suggestions welcome :)
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#12 - 2013-11-11 14:05:30 UTC
First suggestion would be not to advertise you fly a bling fit, although I assume that is an alt.
Second I wouldn't go overkill on the faction modules when it comes to missile damage.
IT seems to be a bit over-tanked/blued, I would not want to fly with more then 500mill-ish on a rattler.
What I would go for are implants, the cap ones and missile ones.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#13 - 2013-11-11 14:43:01 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Rattlesnakes are probably the best PvE ship, they have the best tank of any ship battleship and down and easily do 900 to 1200 DPS. The down side is they are VERY skill heavy. You need to have good shield skills, good drone skills, good missiles skills, Gal/Cald battleship to L4, I have mine to L5. But if you get your skills up you have a ship that can pretty much do any PvE, and looks great too.
Here's The Fit I use for SoE L4s

tank in level 4s doesn't really matter much. When I was running missions in my navy domi I rarely made use of my 500ish dps tank, because WC and the blockade were the only missions that forced me to even turn my booster on. 1500 dips out to 50km was enough to ensure that mobs. Die before you do, and that's really the case with any good mission ship.


For Low sp the rattler is fine, but you really want to be upgrading to something with a little more oomph as you get better skills.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-11-11 14:51:34 UTC
if you have t2 cruiser and support skills thats great, but I wouldn't waste many slots on improving the missile aspects, which should pretty much be supplemental damage for battleships, battlecruisers, and structures. First priority should be drone damage, range, application, and drone links. Second priority should be tank, and third priority should be mobility. After your DDAs, a sigamp or damage control are things i would prefer to fit over ballistic controls. At times i've run dual-prop MJD/mwd, which gives you excellent mobility for optimally placing your sentries and moving quickly gate to gate. If you don't go for an MJD, you need a heavier tank and slightly less range.

Nothing is an absolute rule though, between active and passive tanking, and weather you want to engage at close or long range, there's a much larger range of viable fitting options than for most other ships I feel.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Ravage Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-11 15:30:11 UTC
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
hej hej!

i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)

assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys?
edit: (tanks >500 dps Blood Raiders, >900 dps Guristas)

..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys)
edit: (400 dps Hammerhead II, 580 dps Garde I, 470 dps Warden I all with launchers)


im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?

cheers, Schmu


I spend the last 2 weeks doing lvl4 missions with that fitting:

[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Auto Targeting System I
Auto Targeting System I
Small Tractor Beam II
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Tank was never ever a problem incluiding the most difficult missions, only drone aggro sometimes was annoying.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-11-11 15:36:20 UTC
if you're going to go for a b-type gist XL, you really don't need to spend 3 lowslots on power diagnostics. Also 3 omnis without a DLA or something to extend your targetting range is an issue. If you want a permatank use a large booster instead of an XL.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#17 - 2013-11-11 15:54:52 UTC
thanks again for all the suggestions..

i tried the rattle now for 10 missions and never had to warp out (Enemies Abound and other 4k LP Missions)

i fit basic passive tank with:

3x drone amp II
3x beta shield thingy

2x Navy Omni Link
3x specific Hardeners II
2x LSE II

4x Arbalest Cruise

Navy Faction Sentries & T2 Scout drones

...considering i have Caldari BS 3 and only Gallente BS 2 im doing very good..
of course i train them to 4 ASAP, but after these first test i would say the Rattle is a good boat even if u dont have 10mil SP

im running it with 4,2mil SP (and 1mil SP is for Mining/Hauling)
and my ISK/Hour is pretty good for my standards..


Lol hihi.. such a great boat.. cant wait to fly it with propper skills soon

Maxx Phobos
#18 - 2013-11-11 17:57:35 UTC
Schmu Efrafa wrote:
hej hej!

i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)

assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys?
edit: (tanks >500 dps Blood Raiders, >900 dps Guristas)

..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys)
edit: (400 dps Hammerhead II, 580 dps Garde I, 470 dps Warden I all with launchers)


im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?

cheers, Schmu


Yes T1 drones will work just fine until you can get T2 .. I ran a few in a newly aquired rattler a week ago just to test the state of drones and it ran through Gurista's Extravaganza in about 40-45 min, not super fast but never had an issue with tank even running active tank.
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#19 - 2013-11-11 20:15:44 UTC
Gallente BS need to be priority here.
No excuse for not having lvl4 in gallente BS 2 minutes into playing EvE :D.
But seriously, get it!! It is the most SP/value ratio you will get in a while.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#20 - 2013-11-11 22:51:53 UTC
i quote myself
Quote:
of course i train them to 4 ASAP


i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no?
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