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Genuine question : are the protection rackets legit ?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#41 - 2013-11-10 18:45:15 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss.


Yes, your point being ?

I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied.

Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise.


You closed it rather than transfer it to an alt? you're not a wuss, you're a fool.

And also, there are plenty of mechanics to dodge wardecs. Most wardeccers won't bother following you to another part of empire.

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Temporary Amnesia
EVE Corporation 98582134
#42 - 2013-11-10 18:55:11 UTC
protection pay for month? haha

Don't pay and regroup

Be polite in convos with them so you dont give reason to further ganking

Is best that they think you nublet and polite than nublet and rude/douchebag

Is all




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Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-11-10 20:09:06 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE.


Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...

Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...

Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.


After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say.

Shame on you!

130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun.

This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird.

Mr Epeen Cool

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Cronos Decendum
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-11-10 20:51:07 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...

Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn.
You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you?
If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube.

I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints.Big smile


Seen Noir in the AT? Pathetic. Shouldn't teach what you haven't mastered.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-11-10 21:15:28 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play.

Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps.

My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ?

I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...


Yep very legit. Then again this is the company that has played favorites and griefed most of the players of this game for ten years now.Shocked
Odethia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-11-10 21:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Odethia
Carebeer Racket/Blapping is the whole point of empire wardec.
Of course it is legit.

That being said, nothing stop you from dropping your small corp and creating a new one.
Untill they get borred of wardeccing ghosts.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-10 21:51:38 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Let me ask this question?

Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?

They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically.


No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees.

Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets.


So..... what you're SAYING is that you're mining without a permit.
I hope you have a tank fit.... and stay aligned.
(not a New Order agent, but I am a kinda/sorta Code sympathizer)

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#48 - 2013-11-11 00:46:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Let me ask this question?

Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?

They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically.


No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees.

Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets.


The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually.


Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed.



The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo?

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-11-11 03:56:07 UTC
The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets.

The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Thern alpha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-11-11 03:58:27 UTC
Yes, but only ppl who don't think about the game mech's will fall for them in highsec. In null being a renter could be considered part of a protection racket.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-11-11 06:16:50 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs,
then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you,
every time you make a new one.


You are one very bright light.


Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then.

Thanks for the veiled insult too.


NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin:

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2013-11-11 07:58:46 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs,
then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you,
every time you make a new one.

You are one very bright light.

Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then.

Thanks for the veiled insult too.

NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin:

People sure love to getin a lot

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-11-11 08:42:05 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:



The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo?


This isn't a miniluv operation.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2013-11-11 08:44:06 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:


Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...

Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...

Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.


I can find no record of your corp losing a POS.
Matthew97
#55 - 2013-11-11 08:52:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:


Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...

Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...

Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.


I can find no record of your corp losing a POS.


Probably closed corp before taking it down cause they were to scared to undock.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#56 - 2013-11-11 11:25:51 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets.

The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits.


This bit is where the whole "protection racket" thing in hisec seems to break down most often. If they don't protect their herd from outside predators, then they're just extorting cash. If they truly want to make something like this work for any period of time they're gonna need to actually protect their investment in order to maintain any shred of legitimacy. That means devoting time and ships to prevent outsiders from messing with their herd... in other words earn that monthly payment.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Kery Nysell
#57 - 2013-11-11 13:39:25 UTC
Kairos Antilles wrote:
Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Lol


Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too.

All thanks to some answers here.

I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season.

So I'm going into submarine mode.

I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main.

...
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#58 - 2013-11-11 14:05:19 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs,
then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you,
every time you make a new one.


You are one very bright light.


Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then.

Thanks for the veiled insult too.


No, that's a good reason to learn how to pvp, and kill those that try to kill you. Big smile



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Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-11-11 14:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
Kery Nysell wrote:
Kairos Antilles wrote:
Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Lol


Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too.

All thanks to some answers here.

I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season.

So I'm going into submarine mode.

I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main.


The weak sauce is strong in you.

How can someone, who supposedly played this game for eight years,still does not get EvE.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#60 - 2013-11-11 14:35:06 UTC
The fact that you have been paying for a game for 8 years to mine rocks is sad, very sad. BUT.. each to their own i suppose. You should thank them for finally providing you with content other than approaching rocks and pressing F1.
You said you tried pvp but didn't like it. Well I'm guessing you had a bad start, flying with incompetent FC's and rarely blowing anything up.
To be constructive in my response, i highly suggest you join faction warfare. Join fleets with competent FC's. The Fun and adrenaline after a good fight (or gank huehue) trumps any other activity in EVE.
Still mining after 8 years is like still living at home with your parents in your mid 20's. It's time for you to get out there, leave your little nest of comfort and experience EVE.

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