Skill Discussions

Why?

From the end:
- let's wait for t3 balancing with final verdict about what is OP and what isn't. t2 frigs are also not very much OP after t1 got rebalanced.
- there is also no other ship class that can have multiple slots and bonuses configurations on one hull
- people who don't use best tool for the job still won't do it.

SP loss is a cost of unique capabilities of t3 ships. And when Rubicon will bring us mobile depots and refitting in all fitting services t3 will gain even more flexibility than they have now. 3 days of training level V back is really not a big deal when you think about advantages those ships give you.

Having played games in the past like Meridian 59 for example where anytime you die, PVP and PVE you loose skills. No matter how you were set up or what you were using. People "flagged" lost even more, think pirates ad those with negative sec status. It was actually possible to kill someone so many time it is actually just better for them to start over.

I find this loss if skill only on T3 ships to be rather too kind and easy for everyone else. I would rather see this pushed out to every time you die you loose skills in the ship your flying. Get ganked in a miner, loose some of those mining skills. Learn to watch Dscan, learn to tank properly, learn to fleet up and have backup, learn to watch local for known gankers and pirates. While your mission running in your 4 billion faction fit ship, learn to watch dcan for combat probes. Learn how to recognize if they are centering in on you.

Also, not sure on the 6 day thing. I have one toon training level 5 subsystem he is not specced into. He is only 4 days out not 6 days. However he does have +3 implants. That should be counted. I mean seriously if your spending a billion for ship to PVP in you can afford to spend 100 mill for implants to speed up training times.

I have only lost my Proteus once and I deserved it, I fell for a trap. I even congratulated the guys, and honestly it was the most intense fun I had in the game in a while.

However, my attitude boils down to the Guild Leaders quote from Meridian 59. "Don't die, death is unproductive" and yeah Eve is that simple too. If your planning on death people a regular occurrence in the game then I would argue your doing it wrong. Death should be the exception not the norm. However there are a vast number of victims, out there and always will be.

So anyway my vote if we were to vote on this is expand skill loss to all ship across the board.

Given the frequency that T3's are being fielded (it's not uncommon these days for multiple large T3 fleets to be tangling in a single engagement), it's not really acting as a huge deterrent.

Besides, it acts as a nice pressure in a war - if you have multiple fights on multiple days close together, a string of heavy losses on one side is not only pressurising their wallets, but could potentially apply pressure to their fleet comps too, forcing a ship-down or change in tactics (its unlikely I'm sure, but every person you push from a T3 into a support ship for the next fight weakens that sides comp).

you can't "loose" skillpoints, just saying.

To be honest, I don't see any reason why your skills decrease when dying while flying T3.
You don't lose any skillpoints even when podded (if you clone is uptodate)

Certain T2s over shadow T3s because those T2s are role specific more or less. T3s are versatile as in one ship that can do multiple roles. That is why they suffer from SP loss. I can't wait to be able to fly a legion even with the SP loss. To complain about something so trivial on a class of ship that can do just about anything is a little sad. If you don't like the SP loss stick to T2s and just have diff ships ready for different situations.

Yeah OK. Of course, T3s will have to be scaled way back in their capabilities to match normal T1/T2 cruisers.

srs though, fly a HAC if you don't want to risk your skillpoints.

no you don't just lose skill points. nor does one get loose skill points .

HOW EVER! when you fly a t3 ship and it explodes while flying it due to aggression, you do lose a level in one random sub-system
for its race.

care to try that again?

I'm currently mapped PER>WIL yet I still train INT>MEM subsystem 5 in 3d 6h.

I recently trained all subsystems to level 4, which is about 1 day lost if you get destroyed.

I've lost one Tengu (by being really stupid), and luckily the only subsystem skill I had at level 4 was chosen.

don't lie... per and will remap is 3d 6 hours and some change...

the others would be like 4.5 days give or take 3 hours..