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Why does null-sec want to conquer high-sec?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#41 - 2013-11-10 20:03:56 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

Sov null is safe as kittens compared to living in high sec these days.

Low and NPC null is where you have to pay a little attention and have a little situational awareness.

Basically the players in sov that play the forum more than the game due to to sheer boredom of living there are doing most of the whining. They don't really care about high sec. They just want to cry about something and high sec is an easy target.

Mr Epeen Cool


You speak as if we all don't have access to dotlan and can't do the simple math that would refute your claims. Or maybe you speak as if you can't do those things and are going purely by conjecture. I can't really tell.


In sov null you have snowball fights. Everyone knows what's up and prepares their little pile of snow to throw at each other and then go home when they get tired.

In high sec you get mugged. A bunch of thugs jump out of an ally and destroy you with no warning. You don't have the option of going home (except in a pod, if you are so lucky to still be in one).

Like I said. Safe as kittens.

Mr Epeen Cool
Good Posting
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-11-10 20:05:07 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
EVE in general is a pretty boring game most of the time


You are wrong. EVE is a fun game most of the time. Bashing stuff with subcaps is not a fun game. Waiting for a ping to happen is not a fun game. Being a random F1 basher is not a fun game. I liked Vee's Fleets tho.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-11-10 20:06:17 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
EVE in general is a pretty boring game most of the time


You are wrong. EVE is a fun game most of the time. Bashing stuff with subcaps is not a fun game. Waiting for a ping to happen is not a fun game. Being a random F1 basher is not a fun game. I liked Vee's Fleets tho.

Vee's fleets are not up most of the time. Thanks for making my point for me?

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Cattibrie Do'Urden
Science Hauling Industry Trading and Engineering
#44 - 2013-11-10 20:12:08 UTC
I'll put in my point of view as someone who sits mostly in high sec.

It's my belief (whether wrongly or rightly) that I neither have the time, nor the brainpower (at the end of a long working and dealing with my kids!) to make a full on leap into null sec. I have ventured into low sec, it's fun and gets the adrenaline pumping at times, but that's probably the limit of my capability at the moment!

I see alot of complaining that people in high sec have it too easy (once again whether wrongly or rightly) and wanting to force people out of high sec. The thing is, some people don't want to do this, and if the game is changed in this way, will these people leave the game? I suspect that alot of people in high sec are "part timers" and therefore haven't invested too much into the game that stopping their sub would be a disaster.

But if high sec is made easier for people from low/null sec to get into, does the challenge diminish? I suspect there is a split, those who enjoy the challenge of high sec ganking, and those who just enjoy the tears. The former may relish an increase in difficulty but the latter?

I can see why CCP are doing what they're doing to high sec, to make things a bit more interesting, to give a majority of their customer base something else to do (as I said it's these people that probably make up most of the stop/start subs). But (and I can only guess because I haven't been there) it sounds like there needs to be more in low/null sec. One to give them something else to do and two, to tempt more people into those areas.

I don't think the game should force people out of high sec (stick), I think it should tempt them out of high sec (carrot) but if someone wants to spend a few hours a day manufacturing, hauling, mining etc this should be feasible (there is obviously still a certain level of risk anyway).
Good Posting
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-11-10 20:13:24 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
EVE in general is a pretty boring game most of the time


You are wrong. EVE is a fun game most of the time. Bashing stuff with subcaps is not a fun game. Waiting for a ping to happen is not a fun game. Being a random F1 basher is not a fun game. I liked Vee's Fleets tho.

Vee's fleets are not up most of the time. Thanks for making my point for me?


I'm not talking about the fleets forming today. I left sov null for a good reason and i'm just telling you why, nothing more.
I liked Vee's fleets because it is good to have a good goon fc in coalition fleets for a change, not because they were "fun".
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-11-10 20:21:55 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

In sov null you have snowball fights. Everyone knows what's up and prepares their little pile of snow to throw at each other and then go home when they get tired.

In high sec you get mugged. A bunch of thugs jump out of an ally and destroy you with no warning. You don't have the option of going home (except in a pod, if you are so lucky to still be in one).

Like I said. Safe as kittens.

Mr Epeen Cool



So your trolling gimmick is just playing opposite day? Okay.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#47 - 2013-11-10 20:22:21 UTC
The nullsec shenanigans in highsec are due to boredom and a love of trolling.

That said, Null isn't going to try to take over highsec. Not unless one coalition takes over all of null, and there's plenty of conspiracies on that but it is rather unlikely.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#48 - 2013-11-10 22:57:06 UTC
Quote:
But if high sec is made easier for people from low/null sec to get into, does the challenge diminish? I suspect there is a split, those who enjoy the challenge of high sec ganking, and those who just enjoy the tears. The former may relish an increase in difficulty but the latter?


The guy on the first page pretty much had it right. They're one and the same.

The "challenge" comes from climbing the giant wall of game mechanics you all have whined up over time to protect yourselves, and slapping your privilege in the face. And then hopefully you cry about it, which makes it all the more fun for me.

I don't hate noobs. I don't (generally) hate industrial style players. I do however despite the entitlement mindset that SOOOO many highsec players have. This is not a single player game, and the deeper you bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is, the more I want to dig you up and demonstrate otherwise.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-11-10 23:42:50 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
The direction of Rubicon and recent events make me wonder why null groups even care about high-sec. Mocking them I understand, but why be so fervent about destroying the mechanics of high-sec? Null already has their own space, and if high-sec brings more subscribers into the game then that gives CCP more money to develop the game for everyone, doesn't it?

So I did a qoogle search and found this topic in a thread from a year ago: Why does nullsec care so much about what highsec is doing?

Which referenced this article in the body: The Big Lie: The Fallacies of Demonisation

I think these are well worth the read for newer subscribers.

It seems the people in null really aren't that happy. Either they're in a system they control with not much they want to do, or they're in a massive battle with TIDI, bubbles, being a spec in a blob, or waiting for their FC to tell them what to do next. So they look over at high-sec and think what a fat, juicy target that they could completely burn and destroy in about three days. Damn the consequences because it would be a lot of fun for those three days.

Instead of sacrificing high-sec, maybe it would be better for CCP to figure out how to make the null alliances happy with where they are.




Dude stop it just stop. Stop making those topic. Just stop it. This is your 20ste post.... or so. Same topic over and over again.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#50 - 2013-11-10 23:55:36 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
The direction of Rubicon and recent events make me wonder why null groups even care about high-sec. Mocking them I understand, but why be so fervent about destroying the mechanics of high-sec? Null already has their own space, and if high-sec brings more subscribers into the game then that gives CCP more money to develop the game for everyone, doesn't it?

So I did a qoogle search and found this topic in a thread from a year ago: Why does nullsec care so much about what highsec is doing?

Which referenced this article in the body: The Big Lie: The Fallacies of Demonisation

I think these are well worth the read for newer subscribers.

It seems the people in null really aren't that happy. Either they're in a system they control with not much they want to do, or they're in a massive battle with TIDI, bubbles, being a spec in a blob, or waiting for their FC to tell them what to do next. So they look over at high-sec and think what a fat, juicy target that they could completely burn and destroy in about three days. Damn the consequences because it would be a lot of fun for those three days.

Instead of sacrificing high-sec, maybe it would be better for CCP to figure out how to make the null alliances happy with where they are.




Because Null Sec alliances are getting bored and they want more pew pew .

Thats why they are coming to get you PLolPirate

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#51 - 2013-11-11 00:15:09 UTC
Null sec is different to high sec, it isn't any better in the sense that x isn't any better than y, trouble is for some people y must win, when in actual fact both are necessary and much needed. A pure high sec game would be a banal hell in contrast a pure null sec game would a banal hell.

Live and let live I say.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-11-11 00:40:13 UTC
Null is bored because nobody fights there any more. It's because it's too safe now. It's never been so safe in fact Oops

Nerf null!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2013-11-11 01:00:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
But if high sec is made easier for people from low/null sec to get into, does the challenge diminish? I suspect there is a split, those who enjoy the challenge of high sec ganking, and those who just enjoy the tears. The former may relish an increase in difficulty but the latter?


The guy on the first page pretty much had it right. They're one and the same.

The "challenge" comes from climbing the giant wall of game mechanics you all have whined up over time to protect yourselves, and slapping your privilege in the face. And then hopefully you cry about it, which makes it all the more fun for me.

I don't hate noobs. I don't (generally) hate industrial style players. I do however despite the entitlement mindset that SOOOO many highsec players have. This is not a single player game, and the deeper you bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is, the more I want to dig you up and demonstrate otherwise.



No, if any high sec person wanted to know the truth about ganking and null sec groups activites in high sec, they'd read this rather than hide behind the "null seccers are borred so that's why they go to high sec" lie they tell themselves to feel better.

Unlike Kaarous and others, I don't gank (or scam or do any kind of pvp in high sec), but I whole heartedly support them, I too dislike the kinds of people who come into a sandbox MMO notorious since 2003 for being a game where people screw with each other then get mad when they get screwed with.

The high sec player who doesn't have time to live outside of high sec but who accepts the way the game is and is mentally tough and responsible enough to take their losses like an adult and learn from them (and take precautions) gets as much respect from me as nayone in low, null or wormholes.

But the weak minded, emotional, delusional high sec loner players (or any sec, like the pansies who cry about cloaky campers in null) who would rather run crying to the forums and/or CCP to "make it stop", they deserve the ridicule they get, and more.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-11-11 01:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
This is not a single player game, and the deeper you bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is, the more I want to dig you up and demonstrate otherwise.


But it is single player? Just me and my alt vs everyone else? Learn to EvE.

Also, come at me Twisted
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-11-11 01:17:31 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Null is bored because nobody fights there any more. It's because it's too safe now. It's never been so safe in fact Oops

Nerf null!


You people will say any dumb thing that comes into your heads, won't you?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#56 - 2013-11-11 01:18:39 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
This is not a single player game, and the deeper you bury your head in the sand and pretend that it is, the more I want to dig you up and demonstrate otherwise.


But it is single player? Just me and my alt vs everyone else? Learn to EvE.

Also, come at me Twisted


Underlined the part of you post that contradicted itself lol.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-11-11 01:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Null is bored because nobody fights there any more. It's because it's too safe now. It's never been so safe in fact Oops

Nerf null!


You people will say any dumb thing that comes into your heads, won't you?


Cry moar goonie

Grr High Sec
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-11-11 01:33:04 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Null is bored because nobody fights there any more. It's because it's too safe now. It's never been so safe in fact Oops

Nerf null!


You people will say any dumb thing that comes into your heads, won't you?


Cry moar goonie

Grr High Sec


I'll take that as a yes.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-11-11 01:35:08 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Null people are like a kid who broke his own toy and is jealous about another kid that still has a new, shiny toy. In the kid's mind, the only way to happiness is to grab that shiny toy and break it so both kids are in equal misery.


Exactly.

But hey, "Greed Is Good". Blink

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Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-11-11 01:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Ramlrez
Renegade Heart wrote:
Null is bored because nobody fights there any more. It's because it's too safe now. It's never been so safe in fact Oops

Nerf null!



Basically this. They got bored due to lack of adrenaline and wants to bring it to hisec. Its 100% legit on their way but CCP should make keeping nullsec areas under control much more challenging so they had to really work towards keeping it. They would less bored having to defend themselves constantly. Forcing PVP coaltions to fight for null and low sec or lose it.