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CCP, please let us, the players help the Philipphines!

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#61 - 2013-11-11 00:36:37 UTC
People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#62 - 2013-11-11 00:41:12 UTC


People do need things a week or two from now, when the TV cameras have gone away, this is a region which is still suffering from the earthquake a month or so back. The recovery takes longer than a few weeks...just ask the people in New Orleans.

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RAW23
#63 - 2013-11-11 00:47:03 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.


Yes, do this as well. But donations to the Red Cross are a slightly strange beast. Nothing that you donate now will go directly to the disaster zone right now in any case. The RC will immediately send things they have in their stockpiles and the stockpiles will be replenished by the donations. Some of that replenishment may end up being sent out later but other materials will end up in their stocks for the next disaster. They do not sit and wait for donations before they act; rather they operate on a rolling basis, so any donations that come in will do good somewhere down the line.

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those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#64 - 2013-11-11 00:47:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations.

A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations


This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things.


Hello,

let's do this.

I will try make CCP increase their PR record by organizing this.


Even if CCP won't authorize this drive, we - that is me and you - will give the example by donating $100 each to the Philippines Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders - Philippines at your choice.

I have written $100 because that's the minimum you can specify in the Red Cross selector.

Are you game?

Show not CCP's, but your own track record.

My father teached me: "always put your money where your tongue is".



So, challenge accepted, mate?

I did my duty, I am waiting for you now. I know it's unelegant to post donations but this is not a show off, I have to prove it's real, we are in EvE after all.

First round of proofs: screenshots. Second round of proofs: video of it being done, I'll probably be able to post it tomorrow (now it's late here).


Step 1
Philippines Red Cross donation page.
While I was there I picked the largest available option, but you, Nam Dnilb, feel free to choose another.

Step 2
Tabbing to see how much 10,000 Philippines Pesos are actually worth. I left copious examples in case somebody else wants to copy the donation Twisted in their currency.

Pane 1
Pane 2

Step 3
Actual donation

Step 4
Donation complete



So, now, everybody knows that it's plenty possible BOTH to donate to VAERT AND donate in RL.
If I could do it, so you can.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#65 - 2013-11-11 00:48:36 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.


Awaiting your Red Cross donation receipt mate.
Money / blood / blankets talk.

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Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#66 - 2013-11-11 00:49:33 UTC
Rhivre wrote:


People do need things a week or two from now, when the TV cameras have gone away, this is a region which is still suffering from the earthquake a month or so back. The recovery takes longer than a few weeks...just ask the people in New Orleans.



This, without a doubt. The recovery will take much longer than a couple weeks, then there are all the other disasters that are covered, from the family put out in the cold November street because their home burned to the ground to food banks to shelters.

What we can do with the here and now, is to use it as a social rally call, to band and bond together and create the buzz to get people motivated to donate now. Collect as much as we can at this point when everyone is talking about it to hedge against the times when there is no global call.

What we should not do is try to rate the quality of donations, saying one is better than the other. All forms of donations are for the best.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-11-11 00:50:18 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.


Its just a way to scam people......

Clearly i donate some blood and some real money for those poor people.
Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#68 - 2013-11-11 00:52:04 UTC
As a previous fundraiser for the red cross/crescent regular donations of a fixed amount is helpful a large one off donation is reat as well.

I dont see why CCP can't keep a character or three with different charities in mind to keep a regular fixed amount going with CCP prefix of course.

Woe betide anyone who tries to scam no steal Isk that's been donated for real life fund raising efforts.

The Sidrat Flush Outing fund is not a real charity. If you can't send real cash Send ingame ISK to the new ccp characyer or the OP or Chribba with the reason.

However small, all isk adds. Watch the dev announcement

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#69 - 2013-11-11 00:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Kudos to:

Lost Hamster and
Careby

For having put money where their mouth is.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#70 - 2013-11-11 00:57:01 UTC
If this takes off, any time I am in a position to offer a ship ransom, I will insist on the ISK going to this fund rather than to me. Will make for some interesting piracy.

"Give 2 PLEX/USD 30 to the Phillipines appeal, or your Machariel becomes scrap metal".

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RAW23
#71 - 2013-11-11 01:00:27 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:


Its just a way to scam people......


No it is not. In fact CCP has taken certain unique actions in relation to 'PLEX for Good' donations and has completely banned scamming in relation to them. Anyone attempting to scam under the PLEX for Good banner will be banned.

Quote:

If someone uses this initiative to scam you, then please report it immediately through a petition ingame. Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for helping the victims of the disaster to scam other players. Not only is this unethical behavior, it also potentially reduces the amount of money our players are able to send to donate, which is unacceptable.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PLEX_for_GOOD#Someone_scammed_me.2C_pretending_to_be_CCP_PLEX_for_GOOD.21.21

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#72 - 2013-11-11 01:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#73 - 2013-11-11 01:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rykker Bow
Vaerah Vahrokha, please count me in for 4 PLEX and will contract over shortly.

edit: 4 PLEX contracted, thank you for having the program in place for this to even happen VV Big smile

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RAW23
#74 - 2013-11-11 01:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
I'm a bit short at the mo but will be contracting one when my buy order fills.

Edit - Done.

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those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#75 - 2013-11-11 01:13:28 UTC
Beware, those who send donations please be extremely aware of the fund's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws available by reading the prospectus.

In order to make it easy for CCP to check what's being done in the donations account, there's a clause that forbids delivering back away anything that is donated. This means that if CCP won't (for any reason) do the charity drive, those donations can't be given back and will sit there till the next charity drive.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-11-11 01:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
RAW23 wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
If CCP wants to continue donating to charity through PLEX, it might be a good idea just for them to set up a system in game for people to do it whenever people want. Instead of picking your disaster, just make donations to the Red Cross, International Red Cross, or Red Crescent. This way anyone that wants to donate, whenever, for whatever, can.

Be a lot easier, ethical?, to do this than just for the disasters that reach a level of criterion to warrant special consideration based on what one human's evaluation of "need" is for all people who want to donate in game.

Either that or just say we won't be doing plex for charity anymore.

But this random donations to "major" disasters is problematic.


That's not going to be feasible as CCP are not going to be willing to leave an open door for unlimited amounts of what is effectively their money to flood out of their coffers. Of course, they will be able to write these donations off against tax but they will certainly want to directly control the flow by limiting it to short windows.


Some countries allows extra tax reduction when donating to charity, it may be the same on Iceland, and it's also good publicity.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#77 - 2013-11-11 01:18:22 UTC
MatrixSkye2 Mk2, Rykker Bow and RAW23 have put their money where their mouth is.

2013-11-11: 2 | PLEX | Donor name: MatrixSkye2 Mk2
2013-11-11: 4 | PLEX | Donor name: Rykker Bow
2013-11-11: 1 | PLEX | Donor name: Raw23

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-11-11 01:19:09 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.


I think it's safe to say they need help now, and they will also need help two weeks from now.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#79 - 2013-11-11 01:32:42 UTC
On what CCP gain from this - it's really the publicity.

If 3000 PLEX are turned in, prices for PLEX will increase enough that likely another 2500 will sell that otherwise would not have sold (either to people intending to resell, or to people who sometimes subscribe via in-game purchased PLEX and sometimes via a monthly sub). So CCP end up down USD 7500 or so in revenue. Plus maybe two days of one employee being 'unproductive', so let's call that a total of USD 8000.

However, they would pay A LOT more than USD 8000 for the sort of publicity the game will get out of a charity drive that raises USD 45000 directly, and that also indirectly raises money by promoting awareness of the Philippines crisis among players of one of the games with the highest proportions of medium to well paid professionals in gaming.

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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-11-11 02:00:50 UTC
Vaerah, you can cont on me and several other folks I talk to.

As soon we have some CCP position about their desire to do this we will be moving some isk here and there.

Props on the idea, I'm always reading your posts at MD, enlightening, literally.

Keep the good work.

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)