EVE General Discussion

That plan does have a glitch, it requires a hiseccer.

Now seriously.

Let's say that i am wrong and i am a freak in a fringe population playing the absolutely wrong game because of a regretable monopoly situation. Darn. What a waste of time and money and effort this has been. But as other games are coming, I can just shift horses and still call it a day.

Let's say that I am right and i am a freak in a too large to be pissed population about to be pissed beyond words by delusional developers. The game takes a fatal blow an crumbles into "cult game" size. Darn. What a waste of time and money and effort this has been. But as other games are coming, I can just shift horses and still call it a day.

Let's say that I am right and i am a freak in a too large to be pissed population about to become horribly evident to formerly delusional developers, who undertake an effort to please the guys who pay the bills. The game blooms as more options draw in more players and so I can just stay with EVE and call it a day.

I don't know whether:

a), has CCP Seagull implemented the human-counting methods they were talking with CSM 7?
b), if those methods already exist, do they have useful data?
c), if the data exist and are useful, will they be shared publicly?
d), is the Hallelujah Plan a fruit of guiding game development according to those data?

What i know for sure is that Rubicon is the tenth expansion in a row that provides me no reason to keep playing the game, and i am the only player I know since 5 years ago. Everyone else I know either are younger characters or have quit the game along the road.

Lol, good luck with that.

Removing CONCORD would be a mistake, a major one. EVE already stomps on the throat of new players so ruthlessly a lot of them aren't even given a chance to learn to enjoy the game before this happens.

Imagine if, for instance, you are playing generic fantasy mmo featuring wizards, warriors, and thieves. Death has no consequence here except for running back to your body with the world cast in spooky white shadows. Except, you never really get to find out that death has no consequence because level 100 players are in your newb area, slaughtering you. Over, and over, and over. You haven't even made it to the first NPC to get a quest, all you can do is die. Sure, death has no real meaning... but you haven't even been given a chance to figure that out. All you know is that this sucks, you can't do anything, and it feels like you are wasting your time. You logoff forever.

That is the type of experience I feel some people would have starting this game if CONCORD were removed. Sure, you can say "Oh, if they bail because they got ganked they aren't the type of player we want anyway" and that may well be true. You have to remember though, people need to be given a chance to understand a game before they can, well, understand it. If you are new, and feel like you worked really hard for something only to have it taken away, it can suck. Especially if no one is there to slap you on the back and say "Hey man, that does happen. Tell you what, I'll help you get back into another ship and we can go (insert different activity here)".

Sure highsec has its problems, but it is a staging area for the rest of the game. Without that buffer, a lot of things will change for the worse. Sure, some very vocal complainers wail about highsec ganking, but honestly I read these forums pretty much every day at work and I see just as much vocal wailing about how highsec is too safe.

P.S. No "pvp" fleet is ever going to sit around for 6 hours in an asteroid belt to protect miners in the absence of CONCORD. If you were ever wondering what could be more boring than mining, I think we just figured it out.

My vision does not include the closure of hisec nor of low or null.

Balance

So many arguments and so many trolls in this thread.

If hisec is dying and people are leaving it can the last one out turn off the lights?

But if it is the place to make isk to support pvp habits then no THINKING null player is going to want to see it shut down anytime soon. Suppose manufacturing was so poor in null that they could not even make all their own ammo for their little scraps that they have from time to time.

If hisec is a static part of New Eden then why would it need fixing?

If it is a growing part of New Eden then the growth factors should be identified, quantified, used elsewhere.

I cannot say what is, NDA and all, in regards to where people are. But I play in hisec and wander into other places when the mood takes me. I tried Null and an alliance and the idea of following orders to benefit someone else just didn't sit well. It is not I am right and they are wrong or vice versa, just my play did not fit theirs.

Eve is huge and has many facets. Each side is polished by the people who prefer that shiny place they have found. Few are willing to admire another side and are positive they are in the best place. And they are, for them.

I don't see hi closing anytime soon . . . .

Out of curiosity. why is it always hi, lo, null and nobody talks about the other space? remember wormholes?

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It's because Bob scares people.

And wormholes are very different from Kspace.

Are you gonna watch it?

If you feel this way, then pardon my curiousity, but why do you still play this game?

On the contrary... we shoul dh ave an expansion that surpise, annoucned only 2 hours before deployment.. Concord moves to 0.0 to put the player empires into the line.. but leaves hiugh sec compeltely uindefended!!! :P

Here's a thought for consideration - what if some of those players are mad not so much they lost their pods and ships, but CCP's infrastructure could not accommodate them during game play? What appearance does this portray about null sec gaming: tidi traveling, slow transfer through star gates, and non-existent grid loading versus those already on grid and thus could not have a "fair fight"? Yes, Eve is this "cold, harsh, blah blah blah", but if this is the initial appearance to gaming outside a comfort zone and many of the player base rag on these people, then do you honestly expect people to claim, "That was FUN!"

Just a different angle.

Won't someone think of the children?!

There is a massive gulf between "new players" and "perpetually frightened massively online single players". Furthermore, the latter is a cancer on the game who either assimilate or drive out the former.

Hisec needs to be completely revamped until it is no longer like a gulag where the perpetually frightened convinced the new inmates that it's impossible to escape (even though it's actually as easy as opening the gate and walking out the door). That is unequivocally the largest hurdle Eve has so far faced and continues to face in its ten year history. I don't think taking the average gamer who is sick of wow and looking for something fresh and then turning them into an avowed Eve player is easy, but that's CCP's main task as a company, and they should be devoting the vast amount of their resources to it until they get it right.

My greatest hope for star citizen is that all the people who hate eve for what it is, yet play it anyway (and complain) for some unfathomable reason, leave, and then hisec really will be a place for actual new players to grow and transition out of.