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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2621 - 2013-11-10 04:54:24 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Did CCP fix the issue with the 'smokescreen' covert ops cloak not working on the SoE ships?


They did! My designated "Shiny Stratios" got even shinier when I discovered it.

Unfortunately my actual testing Stratios did not. It remains T2.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2622 - 2013-11-10 05:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
What about add more drones, i mean active drones in space? Example: +1 every skill or skill and module..

Anyway can't use all five sentry drones[after change some time ago], and only for four sentry drones lose the speed, i think unreasonable ....
Anyway problematic use higest than small drones in PVE
Better use 10x online small drones. Easest and simplest way .............
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#2623 - 2013-11-10 06:48:05 UTC
Elias Darrowphayne wrote:
Why no missile love?

It would seem that the cruiser is very much like the Arbitrator but better although i find it very disappointing that there is no missile hard points.

Is there any possibility that we could get even one of the high powered slots for missiles? Even just one turrent converted to missle would make me happy and go a long way to making missile users happy.

Any luck?


Keep up with current events M8

Rise and the rest of the CCP boys hate missiles. Seems they are doing all the can to rid the game of 'em.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
sabastyian
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2624 - 2013-11-10 09:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: sabastyian
Alright, the cruiser has some serious fitting issues that I think needs to be addressed. To do covert ops hot droping, or even covert ops + expanded launcher limits your fitting options terribly. 100 + 220 = 320/500 cpu from only 2 modules, if you fit a cov cyno as well it goes to 370/500 cpu. Fitting a t2 plate and the other modules mentioned puts you at 403/500 cpu and you still have 5 med, 4 low and 3 high slots to fill. Fitting a meta 4 scram and 2 meta 4 webs puts it at 475/500 cpu. You have 2 med slot, 4 low slot and 3 high slot left. Two adaptive nano plating in the low slot takes 0 cpu and gives limited resistances. Fitting a meta 4 damage control gives you 492/500 cpu, you still have 1 low slot left, 3 high slot, and 2 med slot left........ if i am the only one running into issues just fitting the cruiser let me know.


Powergrid, SOE/specified
1150/1500 Vigilant
1150/1156 Phantasm
1150/787.5 Gila
1150/1775 Ashimmu
1150/1375 Cynabal
Every stat I'm about to post has -100 cpu on the SOE cruiser due to the cloak taking 100 cpu and its expected to be fit.
Cpu, SOE/specified
400/450 Vigilant
400/531.25 Phantasm
400/481.25 Gila
400/437.5 Ashimmu
400/437.5 Cynabal

This cruiser has the worst overall fitting out of all the pirate faction cruisers, and it is expected to fit the highest fitting modules to be effective in their role.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2625 - 2013-11-10 12:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
Patri Andari wrote:
Elias Darrowphayne wrote:
Why no missile love?

It would seem that the cruiser is very much like the Arbitrator but better although i find it very disappointing that there is no missile hard points.

Is there any possibility that we could get even one of the high powered slots for missiles? Even just one turrent converted to missle would make me happy and go a long way to making missile users happy.

Any luck?


Keep up with current events M8

Rise and the rest of the CCP boys hate missiles. Seems they are doing all the can to rid the game of 'em.



They do this because they want, these ships link to PVP and piracy, because as far as the comment I saw, all increasingly focuses on the pirate and PVP'ers desires, than in PvE players desires(more destroyed expensive ships,modules,implants&loot-more ISK out from the game-more players buy the Plex'es(and Plexes is already cash, "it's just business nothing personal". For that reason all focus is to PVP not to PVE)).
And in general, gunnary is most to PVP than PVE.

Was very big help if add 1x low slot(for fix fitting and other issues) and pls fix offensive to 4xGuns & 4Missiles, ppls fit what they want ...
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2626 - 2013-11-10 12:42:57 UTC
sabastyian wrote:
Alright, the cruiser has some serious fitting issues that I think needs to be addressed.


It really isn't meant to fit an expanded launcher. That's why the CPU is set where it is.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2627 - 2013-11-10 12:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
sabastyian wrote:
Alright, the cruiser has some serious fitting issues that I think needs to be addressed.


It really isn't meant to fit an expanded launcher. That's why the CPU is set where it is.



Can answer the question: Why "really isn't meant to fit an expanded launcher" when this ship have bonuses on them and focused to scanning !?

I'm don't know why not reduced cpu requirements for covert cloak and expanded launcher

All SOE stuff is focused to scanning, covert cloak related with that. All other is secondary.

And if creators promised create ship for DED cleaning, please create correct ship for that ...
Aurora Fatalis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2628 - 2013-11-10 16:17:47 UTC
With the release of the Ghost Sites, could we perhaps also see Virus Strength on EWAR ships? It would be representative of their "advanced electronics", after all.

I'm imagining hacking Falcons jamming the first few pirates that arrive to give themselves some more time :D

If Chribba told you not to trust him, would you?
RangerGord
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#2629 - 2013-11-10 16:48:14 UTC
What has been said by CCP about the new Sisters ships (the frigate in particular):

"strong focus on exploration and self-reliance in hostile space" and "make good platforms for a range of activities including probing, hacking, exploration combat sites, anoms, killing anom runners"...

But the problem with those statements, how can you do that without guns or bonus to drone dmg when you can only field a flight of lights? You say that the ship will be expected to be a cloaky probe ship, and that it will be self-reliant in hostile space, able to kill anom runners, but you only give it 2 high slots in which it has already been determined there will be fit a cloak and a probe launcher.

What kind of weak anom runners do you expect this thing will kill with just a flight of lights that are un-bonused?
Brib Vogt
Doomheim
#2630 - 2013-11-10 18:02:34 UTC
RangerGord wrote:
What has been said by CCP about the new Sisters ships (the frigate in particular):

"strong focus on exploration and self-reliance in hostile space" and "make good platforms for a range of activities including probing, hacking, exploration combat sites, anoms, killing anom runners"...

But the problem with those statements, how can you do that without guns or bonus to drone dmg when you can only field a flight of lights? You say that the ship will be expected to be a cloaky probe ship, and that it will be self-reliant in hostile space, able to kill anom runners, but you only give it 2 high slots in which it has already been determined there will be fit a cloak and a probe launcher.

What kind of weak anom runners do you expect this thing will kill with just a flight of lights that are un-bonused?


i would like to write a lot about that, but i can only say: true, so true.
Gothikia
Le Goobers
#2631 - 2013-11-10 19:25:15 UTC
Nope, stats are wrong. Go back and do it again.

So you're wanting these ships for exploration in deep space, right? Rise, explain to me how you're supposed to effectively use these ships in nullsec. There simply isn't enough CPU and PG on either of these ships. And only two highs on the frigate? Are you stoned?

Also, wheres the covops cloak bonus? 9 days to go guys, I'd get this **** fixed soon because right now there's no incentive to use these ships as intended.

<3 Gothie
Alysha Saronn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2632 - 2013-11-10 19:27:39 UTC
Interesting power grid and cpu on the cruiser.. Basicly, what your trying to tell me is that if you want me to use this ship properly, I'd have to sit down, drink an entire gallon of vodka to just see what you see because obiviously you were drunk when you came up with the fitting and stats of this ship. The Stratios is so gimp on its fitting capablitys to just fit anything your going to need to invest rigs to incease both it's cpu and powergrid instead of aiding it's tank or offensive capablities.

As, for the figate.. 2 highslots? a Flight of light drones.. come on you can't be telling me you guys weren't drunk off your asses when you came up with those stats.. the hell do you want me to do with that in anoms and **** ask them nicely to blow up and give me there loot.. Come on CCP.. get some people that know how to math.

We are Legion
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2633 - 2013-11-10 20:05:07 UTC
Wow. Some of you guys really can't wrap your heads around the idea of a ship using drones as the primary or possibly only weapon.

T2 hobs and 1 T2 DDA will get the frigate up over 100dps, and it will do that even if it gets jammed because drones have a mind of their own, or assigned to another fleet member. The cruiser can be reasonably fit to do 500-600dps with just drones, also while being jammed.

The fitting is pretty tight, but the main weapons (the drones) use no grip, cpu, or cap.


I will agree that the lack of 5 drones on the cruiser is a deal breaker for the idea of a deep space PvE. You need 5 well skilled heavies or sentries to run nullsec sites.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2634 - 2013-11-10 20:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I will agree that the lack of 5 drones on the cruiser is a deal breaker for the idea of a deep space PvE. You need 5 well skilled heavies or sentries to run nullsec sites.


How very fortunate then that the Stratios was in fact not designed with nullsec sites in mind and that those are actually intended to be under the purview of the yet-unreleased SoE battleship.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2635 - 2013-11-10 21:04:28 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I will agree that the lack of 5 drones on the cruiser is a deal breaker for the idea of a deep space PvE. You need 5 well skilled heavies or sentries to run nullsec sites.


How very fortunate then that the Stratios was in fact not designed with nullsec sites in mind and that those are actually intended to be under the purview of the yet-unreleased SoE battleship.



Which is kind of dumb, given that most nullsec stuff can be ran in Ishtars or Gilas. Navy Vexors can do lower end anoms.


If CCP is really expecting the SoE BS to be the Nullsec plex runner, they really haven't been paying attention to what people in nullsec actually do.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#2636 - 2013-11-10 21:46:30 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:
Are these ships supposed to have the recloaking delay? Seems a bit misplace on a ship with a Covert Ops Cloak... Currently I have to wait 30 seconds after each gate jump to be able to cloak when I start flying around again.

Rather disappointing that they currently have the 30 second delay. They don't have all that much HP in case they encounter something either.


Why are you staying cloaked all the way to the gate, exactly?

Possible gatecamps, bubbles, smartbombers etc etc that may be waiting on that gate? I don't have a safe for every gate in the universe.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2637 - 2013-11-11 02:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Brib Vogt wrote:
RangerGord wrote:
What has been said by CCP about the new Sisters ships (the frigate in particular):

"strong focus on exploration and self-reliance in hostile space" and "make good platforms for a range of activities including probing, hacking, exploration combat sites, anoms, killing anom runners"...

But the problem with those statements, how can you do that without guns or bonus to drone dmg when you can only field a flight of lights? You say that the ship will be expected to be a cloaky probe ship, and that it will be self-reliant in hostile space, able to kill anom runners, but you only give it 2 high slots in which it has already been determined there will be fit a cloak and a probe launcher.

What kind of weak anom runners do you expect this thing will kill with just a flight of lights that are un-bonused?


i would like to write a lot about that, but i can only say: true, so true.
Sadly neither of the new SOE ships will meet the opening statement from DEV's regarding their capabilities, without lots of compromising fitting issues.

Quote:
CCP Rise
looking super sexy
Subjective; I'm still not sure. They are different from anything else but that doesn't make "super sexy".

Quote:
CCP Rise
and generally being kind of awesome.
Meh, that is yet to be seen but unlikely.

With a crap load of implants and boosters they could be awesome but then so can a rifter.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2638 - 2013-11-11 03:26:41 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Possible gatecamps, bubbles, smartbombers etc etc that may be waiting on that gate? I don't have a safe for every gate in the universe.


Unless it's an exceptionally stupid camp that doesn't have a can to decloak you on their drag bubble, I fail to see how warping to a gate uncloaked vs cloaked, all else being equal, can really hurt you. You'll either hit a bubble and get decloaked or you'll reach the gate and decloak when you land on it.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#2639 - 2013-11-11 04:46:08 UTC
If I am in 0.0 at a SoE Academy, I shouldn't get the 50% knock up on the SoE ship prices right? It would be the same as all other faction ships and BPs?
Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#2640 - 2013-11-11 05:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Edwin McAlister
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