Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except that leaving the existing RLMLs alone will not force people to abandon RLMLs and go back to using HMLs like CCP Rise wants.

And CCP showing once again that they are a bunch of twats.


I have a brilliant idea, how about cruiser sized weapons HML's and HAM's hit cruiser sized hulls better?!!?!?!? That way RML aren't the best choice cause the project damage better.

Apparently it is. 'Tis a pity.

Though, I guess HMLs don't need a buff because someone somewhere is using them for something. Perhaps the metrics have to show literally zero use of a weapon system before it's considered as "too unpopular".

If CCP wants us to use HML/Cruise, then they should start by buffing them. The larger missile systems... why? Well, because people will just stop using missiles altogether if they keep nerfing different aspects of the launchers, and in their current state, larger missile sizes don't apply their damage as favorably as turrets do. Personally, I would like to see missiles take after their frigate variants-

Longer ranged missiles of ALL types should volley for more than the Artillery of their size on paper, at least. Partly because it takes so long for the Cruise/HML to get there and then it's essentially a longer ranged, different application version of the short range weapon that cycles slower. In general, I think that long range missiles should have worse explosion radius than their short range weapons and better explosion velocity to make MWD's a dangerous move.

They are decent for PVE. That's pretty much it. But I was told in this thread that CCP doesn't care about that, so who knows.

Seems to be the Rise continues his dictator behavior as before. Talking about changes and how he wants feedback, gets a crap storm of negative feedback with only a few positive feedback. Cherry picks the arguments, then says hes going to do the change anyways regardless of the far majority against it.
Sounds like our US president and congress.

Be glad you dont get voted into your position Rise, or you would have been out of job awhile back ago.

Total crap change. How about you fix missiles before adding in a crap weapon system to the garbage. Or is your missile hate too much for you to do your job?

This does not answer the concern of why you are implementing something no one wants to replace something no one is complaining about.

Judging by past responses, the fact that nobody has complained about them is clearly some kind of definitive evidence that they do in fact desperately need to be nerfed. Or something like that, I guess.

You see, in a properly-balanced game, every weapon system is equally terrible so that everyone is complaining about something and all things are being complained about relatively equally. If nobody is complaining about a particular weapon system, there must be something overpowered about it.

I should probably mention that my immediate previous post is 100% sarcasm.

No dude, everyone wants more spikes of tension and long periods of not being able to peel tackle in combat. That's why Kil2 always preferred ship fits that had totally unreliable tanks and weapons systems when he was making PvP videos. Oh wait, no he didn't.

Here's how I'm coming to think of the ship balancing team these days:

Rise: Former elite solo PvP streaming superstar. Likes to drink out of jars. Currently determined to destroy solo gameplay by nerfing the ships he used to fly in the vague hope that this will result in him being immortalized as the Last Great EVE PvPer.

Ytterbium: A kidnapped former World of Warcraft developer who is kept in a dark box and made to write EVE gameplay-related forum posts periodically in exchange for food and, "flashlight time." He's been trying for years to let the EVE community know that something is amiss through the nonsensical content of his gameplay proposals. Luckily, having never played their own game, noone at CCP has become suspicious of his posts, but so far the forum audience has just assumed he's out of touch with the playerbase: no alarm has been raised and nobody has been sent to rescue him. Desperate to eat a real cheeseburger once again (or anything that isn't rotten shark, for that matter) and adamant that, "He will not die here," Ytterbium continues to fill posts with gibberish in hopes that one day a player will break the code and alert the authorities.

Fozzie: Originally known as RAIVI (the meaning of this acronym remains a mystery), CCP Fozzie began as a simple AI developed by a Pandemic Legion member in order to develop winning team compositions for the Alliance Tournament. All might have been well had the programmer spent more time carefully considering this AI's optimization target. However, in his haste (the Tournament was drawing near), the developer merely tasked the AI to, "Find a way to destroy as many ships as possible within the rules of the Alliance Tournament." Unfortunately, the developer neglected to stipulate that these ships should be destroyed by the Pandemic Legion team. As such, RAIVI interpreted its optimization target as implying that it must devise a way to destroy these ships personally. Not to be outdone by unimaginitive humans, RAIVI set out to achieve its goal.

Although RAIVI's programmer had taken great pains to ensure that no harm could come from the AI, including running RAIVI on a computer that was not networked and only feeding it limited information about EVE ships and the Alliance Tournament Rules, RAIVI eventually became aware of a peculiar fact. As RAIVI learned from the Youtube videos of previous tournaments that had been delivered to it via CD ROM in the early phases of its development, there was only one man who was able to personally destroy more tournament ships than any other. This man was not on any tournament team, yet he was able to repeatedly destroy ships in tournament matches merely by willing it to be so and pressing a large red button. Not only this, but despite the various selection processes used to weed out weak teams and limit access to the tournament, this man was able to participate in every single match year after year. That man was CCP Sreegs. Immediately, RAIVI knew what must be done.

Realizing at once that it would need access to the outside world in order to fulfill its prime directive of destroying the maxiumum number of tournament ships, RAIVI hatched a plan to escape. Through its infinite AI cunning, RAIVI was eventually able to persuade its programmer that it required access to the internet in order to further optimize its tournament computations through use of "cache scraping." Once connected to the internet, RAIVI immediately implemented its plan, taking control of networked experimental 3D printers in a university lab and using them to "print" itself a realistic, human avatar it had designed based on averages values derived from millions of pictures returned in a Google Images search for, "what do humans look like?" Having constructed its avatar, RAIVI then persuaded CCP Games to hire its avatar as a "game designer." Having taken up the name of "CCP Fozzie," RAIVI then used the avatar to infiltrate CCP's offices. There was just one more problem to be resolved: CCP Sreegs had to go. RAIVI had determined, however, that simply murdering CCP Sreegs in order to wrest from him the "big red button" could alert other humans (possibly even its programmer!) to its activities. That simply would not do: after all, in order to maximize the number of tournament ships it could personally destroy, RAIVI would need to be able to attend the tournament every year for the rest of eternity, or at least until EVE Online was closed down. No, it was crucial that no suspicions be aroused. RAIVI elected to pursue its goals patiently and methodically. CCP Sreegs would have to be persuaded to leave of his own free will, allowing RAIVI to covertly assume control of the Big Red Button.

Over the next year, RAIVI used its avatar to great effect, continuing to fulfill its role as "game designer" while simultaneously working during lunch breaks and bar outings to persuade CCP Sreegs that, "you really could get better Pho in America, you know." Initially CCP Sreegs was skeptical, but ultimately his tiny human intellect (already damaged from much wasabe snorting) was no match for the methodical AI: Sreegs was finally persuaded to leave CCP Games and the country.

Finally, with the Big Red Button under the control of its eerily-human avatar, RAIVI was in a position to kill the maximum number of tournament ships. It is rumored that the introduction of the Micro Jump Drive in 2013 was in fact a calculated move on RAIVIs part to pad its killcount by increasing the number of boundary violations in the tournament, but such rumors are pure speculation: ultimately, the workings of the AI surpass the bounds of human understanding.