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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-11-10 01:11:49 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
For a more realistic Answer:

Removal of all highsec industry slots.

The additional of a rental system, so players can, anonymously, rent industry time from other players POS (or similar)


If you were to do this, I would hate to see the state of the market afterwards...

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-11-10 01:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
People's hatred of high will result in the death of the game they love.

Seriously, why so mad of other people's playstyle.

Its just like a person saying they want to bring concord to null. It's that ridiculous.

If you want people to come to lnull and low, why don't you take the time to invite them into your corp and actually take them out ot low and null. Being hot and bothered because you can't shoot them in high-sec just makes you look petty.


I would counter with the concept that, highsec was never intended to be as safe as it is right now, and after constant knee jerk safety buffs at the behest of the exceptionally whiny highsec carebear playerbase it has grown into something out of control, and needs to be pruned down back into balance with the rest of space.

So, I don't see as being mad at someone else's playstyle on the part of everyone who doesn't cling to highsec. I see it as being mad that highsec won't stop asking for buffs to safety, over and over and over again, despite the fact that they are safer now than they have ever been, or have ever deserved to be.

So it's time to take a little of that back, so the whiny bastards have to something to actually complain about.


Well... I don't ask for buffs. I simply play the game by its rules. You can be mad that people make comments I suppose for buffs. I don't care if CCP buffs null, wormhole, and low.

But that still means you are getting hot and bothered by people.

Secondly, CCP player numbers actually increased dramatically when they made high sec. They've said the majority of the player base is in high sec. Simply throwing all those people to the wolves is bad for business.

There is a large group of players that would like nothing better to do than ruin other people's game play until they quit. They have an agenda and they relish every time they try to take over CSM.

But personally I'm not invested in whether or not CCP stays in business or not so I'm not really bothered by it. I'm playing their game until something better comes along. I'm certainly not playing this game because the company has integrity, that's for sure.

If CCP did fail and close it doors (most likely due to all its wasted money on unsuccessful side projects and inability to deal with changing markets such as the likes of Star Citizen) I think I would get smug and say "I told you so" but I'm not about to rub my nipples over it.

Hrm.... Maybe I will.

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Krimishkev
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-11-10 01:17:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
People's hatred of high will result in the death of the game they love.

Seriously, why so mad of other people's playstyle.

Its just like a person saying they want to bring concord to null. It's that ridiculous.

If you want people to come to lnull and low, why don't you take the time to invite them into your corp and actually take them out ot low and null. Being hot and bothered because you can't shoot them in high-sec just makes you look petty.


I would counter with the concept that, highsec was never intended to be as safe as it is right now, and after constant knee jerk safety buffs at the behest of the exceptionally whiny highsec carebear playerbase it has grown into something out of control, and needs to be pruned down back into balance with the rest of space.

So, I don't see as being mad at someone else's playstyle on the part of everyone who doesn't cling to highsec. I see it as being mad that highsec won't stop asking for buffs to safety, over and over and over again, despite the fact that they are safer now than they have ever been, or have ever deserved to be.

So it's time to take a little of that back, so the whiny bastards have to something to actually complain about.


I hope you're and alt of someone who's actually played the game since beta... otherwise this opinion in the scope of your eve experience context means nothing.
Deunan Tenephais
#24 - 2013-11-10 01:24:34 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
What I have been saying for years.
CCP plans on trashing its subscription base on the gamble that they will retain enough of its existing base and at the same time attract every sociopath not playing Eve already.

It will be a disaster of course, but I will enjoy watching CCP go down in flames.

Don't forget about all the PLEX that the hiseccers buy to CCP, not only will it be a dry loss but they also won't be available to nullseccers for ingame money anymore, these people will have to pay for their subs.
I think we will see a reduction in alt numbers if CCP do away with high sec.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-11-10 01:57:16 UTC
I would love to see more player driven content. Make all of space less cozy by penalizing blobs, getting rid of reinforcement timers, removing local from all non-empire systems, getting rid of structures automatically alerting whole groups that they're under attack. These things are completely ridiculous. EVE isn't supposed to be a game where your hand is held, you're supposed to fend for yourself. It's time we force people to play the game, instead of having the game play itself. Why should the game alert you every time an enemy enters a system, or takes a potshot against a structure you haven't actually seen in 6 months, or stop an attack because you can't be bothered to patrol? The game even does the patrolling for you by magically broadcasting that something is under attack. Oh, you were whining about the "other guys" having it too easy? My bad. Yea, I can live with hisec being more dangerous as long as the changes I just mentioned are implemented as well.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-11-10 02:11:47 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
By giving highsec gankers new mobile depots to refit in, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccers 'safety' anymore.


SSSSHHHHHHHH

Also, not a "all of high should be null" thread. No bubbles. I repeat, no bubbles.


Bubbles are fine. Gate guns are not.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-11-10 02:13:36 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Karrl Tian wrote:
Faction Navies go bye-bye. If there's a Smuggler/Outlaw/Enemy Militia outside the station, it should be the players who go after them. Would put some much needed Highsec PvP back in after Crimewatch and Inferno killed most of it.


Now this is a fair idea.

Concord will still respond to unauthorized violence in hi sec, but if you don't want pirates flying through your space you'll have to shoot them yourselves (which you can since they're <-5 sec status).



Ok Put hisec players in a lawless environment where those who have vast PvP experience, logistics,experienced flight commanders, and knowledge of combat mechanics. and bloodthirsty half insane teenagers. who nullsquark ALL THE TIME, Are free to roam.

What could possibly go wrong????

They aren't teenagers they are mainly late 20's to mid 40's.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-11-10 02:20:51 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
For a more realistic Answer:

Removal of all highsec industry slots.

The additional of a rental system, so players can, anonymously, rent industry time from other players POS (or similar)


If you were to do this, I would hate to see the state of the market afterwards...


You and all the others who think like you underestimate the amount of industry alts even new null sec players like me have.
null sec (and i am npc null) isk + dual account training = i can switch my isk making time to whatever i feel like/ makes the most isk. 1000's of other like me can easily replace the current slumlords if they pack it in (which they won't).

evolution.

survival of the fittest.

Only people that deserve to play eve will be allowed to continue.

eve will continue to grow as it always has done.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-11-10 02:25:16 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Only people that deserve to play eve will be allowed to continue.


Enjoy playing by yourself.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-11-10 02:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
For a more realistic Answer:

Removal of all highsec industry slots.

The additional of a rental system, so players can, anonymously, rent industry time from other players POS (or similar)


If you were to do this, I would hate to see the state of the market afterwards...


You and all the others who think like you underestimate the amount of industry alts even new null sec players like me have.
null sec (and i am npc null) isk + dual account training = i can switch my isk making time to whatever i feel like/ makes the most isk. 1000's of other like me can easily replace the current slumlords if they pack it in (which they won't).

evolution.

survival of the fittest.

Only people that have enough alts to play eve will be allowed to continue.

eve will continue to increase the number of alts without any substantial growth as it always has done.

soon I will be fighting my own alts in null sec fleet fights! it will be a glorious day and I shall buy plex so my alts will can buy plex with ISK! because i'm a god damn genius


fix't
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#31 - 2013-11-10 02:34:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
By leading the lemmings/sheep to slaughter, CCP has shown that it cares not for highseccers anymore.

By giving highsec gankers new mobile depots to refit in, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccers 'safety' anymore.

By letting anyone place POCOs in highsec, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccer easy money anymore.


Clearly this shows that CCP is getting ready to Nerf highsec.

Finally.


What I have been saying for years.
CCP plans on trashing its subscription base on the gamble that they will retain enough of its existing base and at the same time attract every sociopath not playing Eve already.

It will be a disaster of course, but I will enjoy watching CCP go down in flames.


PSSSSSSTTTT!

Don't reveal those CCP stakeholders secret plans for Star Citizen! Lol

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#32 - 2013-11-10 02:37:21 UTC
I think CCP's moving too slowly with Rubicon. They need to simply strip high-sec of it's safety, and convert it all to new NPC-null space.

Profit favors the prepared
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2013-11-10 02:38:53 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
By leading the lemmings/sheep to slaughter, CCP has shown that it cares not for highseccers anymore.

By giving highsec gankers new mobile depots to refit in, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccers 'safety' anymore.

By letting anyone place POCOs in highsec, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccer easy money anymore.


Clearly this shows that CCP is getting ready to Nerf highsec.

Finally.


What I have been saying for years.
CCP plans on trashing its subscription base on the gamble that they will retain enough of its existing base and at the same time attract every sociopath not playing Eve already.

It will be a disaster of course, but I will enjoy watching CCP go down in flames.


PSSSSSSTTTT!

Don't reveal those CCP stakeholders secret plans for Star Citizen! Lol


The easiest way to make sure that EVE lives and Star Citizen dies is for a bunch of EVE players to start playing it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-11-10 02:53:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


The easiest way to make sure that EVE lives and Star Citizen thrives is for a bunch of EVE players to start playing it.


I have more "faith" with the maker of freelancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJ6n8iuwTk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y2cKSUNkVA
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#35 - 2013-11-10 02:54:24 UTC
For all you clowns salivating for the day that CCP wipes out high sec (which is coming), I direct you to the thread in the Live Events forum, which details the reaction of high sec players to the null sec world.

It also demonstrates far more eloquently than any words what CCP thinks about its high sec subscribers.

If there are any accountants of CCP that read these forums, you had best take a cold hard look at the reactions of the high sec players in the Live Events thread, while you continue to allow the Ayn Rand fanatics run around at CCP blowing up the game.
Mr Pragmatic
#36 - 2013-11-10 05:08:01 UTC
"Stop enjoying things I don't" thread number 1000034343.

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adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-11-10 05:22:17 UTC
Checks thesaurus for the meaning of "highseccers"

Ah, you mean "null, low and pirate alts" Lol
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-11-10 06:51:01 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Only people that deserve to play eve will be allowed to continue.


Enjoy playing by yourself.

Probably already does that in the basement of mommy's house.

Oh right, you meant within the game. Well, probably already does that too, while being alone in the basement of mommy's house.


DMC

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Lady Areola Fappington
#39 - 2013-11-10 06:55:06 UTC
Krimishkev wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
People's hatred of high will result in the death of the game they love.

Seriously, why so mad of other people's playstyle.

Its just like a person saying they want to bring concord to null. It's that ridiculous.

If you want people to come to lnull and low, why don't you take the time to invite them into your corp and actually take them out ot low and null. Being hot and bothered because you can't shoot them in high-sec just makes you look petty.


I would counter with the concept that, highsec was never intended to be as safe as it is right now, and after constant knee jerk safety buffs at the behest of the exceptionally whiny highsec carebear playerbase it has grown into something out of control, and needs to be pruned down back into balance with the rest of space.

So, I don't see as being mad at someone else's playstyle on the part of everyone who doesn't cling to highsec. I see it as being mad that highsec won't stop asking for buffs to safety, over and over and over again, despite the fact that they are safer now than they have ever been, or have ever deserved to be.

So it's time to take a little of that back, so the whiny bastards have to something to actually complain about.


I hope you're and alt of someone who's actually played the game since beta... otherwise this opinion in the scope of your eve experience context means nothing.



Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Hypercake Mix
#40 - 2013-11-10 07:28:30 UTC
High-sec should be smaller but with greatly increased player-owned structure accessibility.

IMO, it's much too early for high-sec POCOs.