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CONCORD is a laughingstock..

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#61 - 2013-11-09 20:51:32 UTC
Is reading really such a demanding skill that Pyre has entirely given up on mastering it? If not, the alternative is willfully misinterpreting things in order to deflect the shame of poor behavior. Either one is rather sad to see.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-11-09 21:04:39 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Is reading really such a demanding skill that Pyre has entirely given up on mastering it? If not, the alternative is willfully misinterpreting things in order to deflect the shame of poor behavior. Either one is rather sad to see.


#KaalakiotaSwag

#Canonlyreadkillmails

#Goodfight

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-11-09 21:44:21 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Is reading really such a demanding skill that Pyre has entirely given up on mastering it? If not, the alternative is willfully misinterpreting things in order to deflect the shame of poor behavior..

Seems to me the main deal of shame being deflected around here is the shame of sh*t judgement.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#64 - 2013-11-09 21:50:54 UTC
You are reinforcing my point rather well, both of you. Disappointing to say the least. I have accepted my shame and am better for it. I didn't think such things were too much to expect from such... loquacious citizens.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#65 - 2013-11-09 21:54:31 UTC
First, had I not been indisposed, I would have answered the call and would have gone. Yes, I had slight misgivings about some of how the information and details about the operation was being given, but when your homeland calls for aid, as a loyalist, I do feel an obligation to the people I call kin.

And I think that the majority of pilots who answered the calls of the respective Navies felt something along those lines, an obligation and duty to serve those who have fought for the very values of each of our different cultures. Might be applying an overtly idealistic view of the situation and motivation, maybe.

For those of us who did not go, why are we heaping derision and scorn on those who choose to go? For the sake of arguement, would there be this scorn if the fleet action had succeeded, though a high cost of crew and ship had to be paid? I doubt it. There would be accolades and praise and public statements to honor those who gave their lives in the effort. Why then do we not honor the sacrifice when it failed? And why are you heaping the disdain on the soldiers and not the organizers and planners of the mission?

It seems to me that many have a short memory as the CTA was issued by CONCORD on behalf of the Navies of the four nations and that the role that we were said to be was one of supporting the Naval forces of the nations. If you want to make armchair criticism of the action, aim your cross-hairs on the command and logistics that did not show up as stated. Question the motives of CONCORD and the governments, but damn it, for the love of all that might still be good in this cluster, stop with the petty "ah, you guys were sheeple to be led to the slaughter" comments and grab a check of your fragile little egos and bow your head to those true soldiers who gave their lives in what they believed was an action to support their homeland.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-11-09 21:56:22 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
You are reinforcing my point rather well, both of you. Disappointing to say the least. I have accepted my shame and am better for it. I didn't think such things were too much to expect from such... loquacious citizens.


Thank you for sharing.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-11-09 22:02:26 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Question the motives of CONCORD and the governments, but damn it, for the love of all that might still be good in this cluster, stop with the petty "ah, you guys were sheeple to be led to the slaughter" comments and grab a check of your fragile little egos and bow your head to those true soldiers who gave their lives in what they believed was an action to support their homeland.


Sorry, I'm too Deteis not to savour the vicarious pleasure of witnessing some Social Darwinism in action.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#68 - 2013-11-09 22:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#69 - 2013-11-09 22:19:27 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Question the motives of CONCORD and the governments, but damn it, for the love of all that might still be good in this cluster, stop with the petty "ah, you guys were sheeple to be led to the slaughter" comments and grab a check of your fragile little egos and bow your head to those true soldiers who gave their lives in what they believed was an action to support their homeland.


Sorry, I'm too Deteis not to savour the vicarious pleasure of witnessing some Social Darwinism in action.


And I would have expected more respect towards those that felt the desire to support the State's Navy from those associated with a Patriotic faction within the State.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-11-09 22:51:32 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Question the motives of CONCORD and the governments, but damn it, for the love of all that might still be good in this cluster, stop with the petty "ah, you guys were sheeple to be led to the slaughter" comments and grab a check of your fragile little egos and bow your head to those true soldiers who gave their lives in what they believed was an action to support their homeland.


Sorry, I'm too Deteis not to savour the vicarious pleasure of witnessing some Social Darwinism in action.


And I would have expected more respect towards those that felt the desire to support the State's Navy from those associated with a Patriotic faction within the State.


My respect goes out to those that did not trust the motivations of CONCORD and the DED before the fact, and to those that learned not to after it.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2013-11-09 23:15:09 UTC
Unlike the ones like Sami Okuuda ? That is good to know, I am pretty sure that the Caldari Navy appreciates.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
That choice is yours to make, but you needn't pile scorn upon those who lost their lives answering the call.


Suuolo, I thought you knew me better than that. I have heaped no scorn on those who gave their lives following the orders of their commanders. My scorn was reserved strictly for their immortal officers, who didn't have to share that sacrifice.

Now, I know I'm equally immune from that greatest of consequences, but I have tried to ensure that the loss of my crews has had meaning, at least.


Meaning? In that proxy war ?
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#72 - 2013-11-10 00:05:07 UTC
Trumpets bleat the loudest for the ears of those using them. Let it go. Believe me, it's not worth the time to pursue.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#73 - 2013-11-10 02:06:45 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Desiderya, you're simply trolling at this point.


Really, that's the way you want to deal with this? I suggest putting your fingers into your ears and going 'nanananana'.



I can try it in softer words, for the sake of the IGS community. Maybe you should re-enlist on some of the courses from the war colleges or similar private experts to rehash the very basics of cadet school, in order to be better prepared and able to make judgements based on available data both before and during an operation to minimize the risk of overcommiting or taking risks that do not reflect the possible reward. Furthermore some studies on the importance of effective communication and organisation during any kind of deployment should be investigated, optionally with some studies of battles that were lost despite having, on paper, a far superior force.

The basics, ladies and gentlemen. So maybe next time you will not have to listen to my wisdom - you might even begin to appreciate it after a while, when the damaged pride stops hurting.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#74 - 2013-11-10 02:09:30 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Desiderya, you're simply trolling at this point.


Really, that's the way you want to deal with this? I suggest putting your fingers into your ears and going 'nanananana'.



I can try it in softer words, for the sake of the IGS community. Maybe you should re-enlist on some of the courses from the war colleges or similar private experts to rehash the very basics of cadet school, in order to be better prepared and able to make judgements based on available data both before and during an operation to minimize the risk of overcommiting or taking risks that do not reflect the possible reward. Furthermore some studies on the importance of effective communication and organisation during any kind of deployment should be investigated, optionally with some studies of battles that were lost despite having, on paper, a far superior force.

The basics, ladies and gentlemen. So maybe next time you will not have to listen to my wisdom - you might even begin to appreciate it after a while, when the damaged pride stops hurting.

I rest my case.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2013-11-10 02:54:06 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Unlike the ones like Sami Okuuda ? That is good to know, I am pretty sure that the Caldari Navy appreciates.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
That choice is yours to make, but you needn't pile scorn upon those who lost their lives answering the call.


Suuolo, I thought you knew me better than that. I have heaped no scorn on those who gave their lives following the orders of their commanders. My scorn was reserved strictly for their immortal officers, who didn't have to share that sacrifice.

Now, I know I'm equally immune from that greatest of consequences, but I have tried to ensure that the loss of my crews has had meaning, at least.


Meaning? In that proxy war ?


I wish there were more meaning in the 'forever war' but it's the war we have - and whilst I'd prefer something with defined endgoals there really isn't anyone I've killed in the warzone that I regret killing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2013-11-10 02:56:53 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Is reading really such a demanding skill that Pyre has entirely given up on mastering it? If not, the alternative is willfully misinterpreting things in order to deflect the shame of poor behavior. Either one is rather sad to see.


I regret nothing I've said. I'm ashamed of nothing I've done in relation to this matter. If you want to beat me, Otsito, try cutting your own switch instead of borrowing Katrina's broken one.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#77 - 2013-11-10 03:05:09 UTC
If you think I am criticising the desire of a loyalist to serve their homeland, you do not know me.
If you think I am mocking the service of those who died, you do not know me.
If you think I am pointing out the mistakes that I am pointing out because of ego, you do not know me.

I am pointing out mistakes that were made, basic mistakes, by Commanders and Pilots who should know better. By Pilots and Commanders whose crews deserved better. If those mistakes have been learned, then you should assume I am no longer talking to you. If you are defending those mistakes, then I am trying to reach you out of Heiian and out of Meritocracy. Because they need to be learned, and fast.

If you think anything else, then to the Winds with you. I am done with you. I should have known better.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#78 - 2013-11-10 03:18:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If you think anything else, then to the Winds with you. I am done with you. I should have known better.


You may consider that mutual.

Katrina Oniseki

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2013-11-10 03:42:01 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If you think anything else, then to the Winds with you. I am done with you. I should have known better.


You may consider that mutual.


You may consider that official.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#80 - 2013-11-10 03:54:08 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If you think anything else, then to the Winds with you. I am done with you. I should have known better.


You may consider that mutual.


You may consider that official.


As stated already, "Noted and reciprocated."

Katrina Oniseki