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Nice Job CCP. Now Can We All Get 17m Free Skillpoints Also?

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#341 - 2013-11-09 15:45:10 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
It's called customer support and CCP will do whatever they consider in the customer and the games' best interest. Like Darius said, they don't need your permission or approval for ****.

Alt Two wrote:
So to paraphrase you..
Anyone who wants a free skill respec should play Erotica 1's bonus room and then tell CCP that < insert random family member > did it.
I predict a lot of new customers for Erotica 1 in the near future :)

No one was given a free respec. Stop making things up. This whole thread is misleading and shouldn't be here in the first place. You have no business commenting on CCPs support and you are entitled to exactly jack.

Erotica, if you are serious about running for CSM you shouldn't act so immature and feed so many trolls. Your posts are usually alright, but this one is pretty stupid. You had your fun let it go now. If you are interested in helping the community then your interest should be helping that guy just as much as the next one.

If you think you're helping the community with stuff like this, you need to take a step back for a second.


The community is far broader than my detractors would make it sound. Trolls, scammers, pirates, awoxers, mission griefers, gankers, traders, etc also need a voice. It's not all about mining and blob warfare. That being said, if someone takes the time to read through all of my forum posts, taking any perceived spin with a grain of salt, I think you'll find that I propose and support a wide variety of views and ideas to strengthen the game.

In the end, it is and should remain an open sandbox with endless possibilities. Voting for me is to vote for the sandbox and emergent gameplay, not one set group in particular.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#342 - 2013-11-09 15:53:36 UTC
Jack Lennox wrote:
17 million SP isn't a small amount. The fact that this player lost them due to his own actions, he also blatantly violated the EULA disgusts me. If you want to keep a good portion of your subscribers, I suggest you either give the rest of 17mil SP as well, or just take them back from Heavy Rayne.

CCP free sp plz


This is me hoping you'll be part of that "good portion" that will no longer be subscribing to EVE. Your stuff? I don't want it, it'll be good for the economy if you take it with you when you go.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#343 - 2013-11-09 15:58:50 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
The community is far broader than my detractors would make it sound. Trolls, scammers, pirates, awoxers, mission griefers, gankers, traders, etc also need a voice. It's not all about mining and blob warfare. That being said, if someone takes the time to read through all of my forum posts, taking any perceived spin with a grain of salt, I think you'll find that I propose and support a wide variety of views and ideas to strengthen the game.
In the end, it is and should remain an open sandbox with endless possibilities. Voting for me is to vote for the sandbox and emergent gameplay, not one set group in particular.

I would vote against just because of this. If you cannot see the individual in the community, you do not deserve to represent it.
Josef Djugashvilis
#344 - 2013-11-09 16:04:12 UTC
Crash Course wrote:
CCP owes DBRB about elventybajillion skillpoints if you ask me. RIP FC5

Once again an example of high sec getting an easier time than us actually making content out in null


The ego is strong with this one.

This is not a signature.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#345 - 2013-11-09 16:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
The community is far broader than my detractors would make it sound. Trolls, scammers, pirates, awoxers, mission griefers, gankers, traders, etc also need a voice. It's not all about mining and blob warfare. That being said, if someone takes the time to read through all of my forum posts, taking any perceived spin with a grain of salt, I think you'll find that I propose and support a wide variety of views and ideas to strengthen the game.
In the end, it is and should remain an open sandbox with endless possibilities. Voting for me is to vote for the sandbox and emergent gameplay, not one set group in particular.

I would vote against just because of this. If you cannot see the individual in the community, you do not deserve to represent it.



Try reading it again. I am all for the individual. I'm also all for teamwork. If you want to have a discussion, we can. If you want to immediately respond with anything just for the sake of disagreeing, whatever.

My campaign is going to be a bit different than what has happened in the past. You see, I value the community and hearing people's views. We will be having some town hall style meetings and grassroot efforts to make the campaign and ultimate representation a success. Again, voting for me is not to vote for a set agenda of some alliance you happen to be in or some specific activity (such as mining.) A vote for Erotica 1 is a vote for your voice to actually be heard.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
wagashi
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#346 - 2013-11-09 16:10:39 UTC
It never ceases to amaze me how few people can take two steps in someone else's shoes. "Griefers are bad don't let them have their game!" "CCP is just fixing what was unfair" If this was someone loosing their Titan because "I clicked jump instead of bridge" we'd be hearing HTFU and Thats EvE yo. If CCP walked up and said "ya looks like ya made a honest mistake here's your titan back." I'd be able to heat my living room with flames coming off the screen . This effectively what this was, Erotica1's version of PVP. If you all don't believe in do overs for ships in space why do overs for contracts and SP?
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#347 - 2013-11-09 17:10:00 UTC
wagashi wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how few people can take two steps in someone else's shoes. "Griefers are bad don't let them have their game!" "CCP is just fixing what was unfair" If this was someone loosing their Titan because "I clicked jump instead of bridge" we'd be hearing HTFU and Thats EvE yo. If CCP walked up and said "ya looks like ya made a honest mistake here's your titan back." I'd be able to heat my living room with flames coming off the screen . This effectively what this was, Erotica1's version of PVP. If you all don't believe in do overs for ships in space why do overs for contracts and SP?


It's not about believing in one and not the other, it's about how they effect the game environment. One has the possibility of changing the gameplay of thousands of players, the other has the chance of changing the gameplay of one player. Now you can try to twist that around however you like, but doing so won't change the facts. This single player getting his SP back effects only him. There will be no reverberation into the whole of New Eden because anyone who falls for an ISK doubling scam does not gave the ability to play the long game required to affect change in this game. So maybe his getting SP back will, in the short term, benefit a few people in his corp or alliance, but in the long term it's likely he won't be affecting anything. Now an accidental bridge that sparks a war can affect thousands of players over potentially years of playing. One of these scenarios matters for New Eden as a whole, while the other matters for maybe 5 players for a month or two. And the guy getting his SP back(or not, since proof is lacking), doesn't even affect Erotica 1 and its merry band of alts. So why should anyone care? As I said, there's over 18 pages of people proclaiming they, or some "good portion," are going to quit, but 20 pages from now they'll still be here. Who, exactly, is so terribly affected by this then?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#348 - 2013-11-09 17:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Xavier Higdon wrote:
wagashi wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how few people can take two steps in someone else's shoes. "Griefers are bad don't let them have their game!" "CCP is just fixing what was unfair" If this was someone loosing their Titan because "I clicked jump instead of bridge" we'd be hearing HTFU and Thats EvE yo. If CCP walked up and said "ya looks like ya made a honest mistake here's your titan back." I'd be able to heat my living room with flames coming off the screen . This effectively what this was, Erotica1's version of PVP. If you all don't believe in do overs for ships in space why do overs for contracts and SP?


It's not about believing in one and not the other, it's about how they effect the game environment. One has the possibility of changing the gameplay of thousands of players, the other has the chance of changing the gameplay of one player. Now you can try to twist that around however you like, but doing so won't change the facts. This single player getting his SP back effects only him. There will be no reverberation into the whole of New Eden because anyone who falls for an ISK doubling scam does not gave the ability to play the long game required to affect change in this game. So maybe his getting SP back will, in the short term, benefit a few people in his corp or alliance, but in the long term it's likely he won't be affecting anything. Now an accidental bridge that sparks a war can affect thousands of players over potentially years of playing. One of these scenarios matters for New Eden as a whole, while the other matters for maybe 5 players for a month or two. And the guy getting his SP back(or not, since proof is lacking), doesn't even affect Erotica 1 and its merry band of alts. So why should anyone care? As I said, there's over 18 pages of people proclaiming they, or some "good portion," are going to quit, but 20 pages from now they'll still be here. Who, exactly, is so terribly affected by this then?


Ah, someone I can have an intelligent discussion with. Excellent! The broader question is not this incident. Consider these questions:

1. How many players have been given skillpoints like this, and how many could have but never thought they could? The answers may affect thousands.

2. What other decisions are being made in petitions that all individually are isolated, but collectively scandalous?

3. What oversight is there in the granting or denying of petitions? Do the GM's have broad discretionary powers to do anything that is remotely defensible, or are there limits to what can be decided without higher authority?

I will add one further comment, and I hereby grant CCP the right to disclose the details if they so wish, without directly providing excessive information myself...

Some time ago, numerous friends of mine petitioned a game mechanic that we discovered, asking if it was permissable because it could be considered an exploit. We got the green light and were told it was brilliant.

A month or two later, we all got official warnings and some transactions were reversed in the tens of billions. The game mechanic has since been patched.

Some fought the decision, coming forward with ample evidence that the "scam" was preapproved by CCP. It didn't matter.

I'm not sore over the matter, but it just leads to more questions than answers. Most of us just kept our mouths shut, figuring, "we have no power to change things."

Do certain people within CCP just do whatever the hell they feel like and try to explain it away later?

We need more oversight. We need more transparency.

*edit* A Vote for Erotica 1 is a vote to fight for these ideals. It is also a vote for the sandbox. Some may disagree with how I play in the sandbox, but we share the space. I would love for people who dislike me to use the sandbox to express their views instead of fighting to make the sandbox itself be tilted to their agendas. You want to end the New Order? So raise an army, raise a movement. But don't argue for nerfs and buffs for your goals. Argue instead for not only maintaining the sandbox but opening it up further.

I have been a very vocal fan of Rubicon. I think CCP is coming out with the best expansion since I started playing. CCP also does a lot of things very right. Guys, put down your mining hats, ganker hats, null hats, etc, and together we can fight to save and improve the game we all truly hold dear.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#349 - 2013-11-09 18:13:40 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
We need more oversight. We need more transparency.


And we need more people snitching on each other for account sharing?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#350 - 2013-11-09 18:15:59 UTC
dexington wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
We need more oversight. We need more transparency.


And we need more people snitching on each other for account sharing?



Heavy actually admitted it himself.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#351 - 2013-11-09 18:17:56 UTC
dexington wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
We need more oversight. We need more transparency.


And we need more people snitching on each other for account sharing?



Do you have something you'd like to admit? It seems all the rage now.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Josef Djugashvilis
#352 - 2013-11-09 18:28:21 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
We need more oversight. We need more transparency.


And we need more people snitching on each other for account sharing?



Do you have something you'd like to admit? It seems all the rage now.


I admit to being terrible at Eve.

This is not a signature.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#353 - 2013-11-09 18:29:10 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
We need more oversight. We need more transparency.


And we need more people snitching on each other for account sharing?



Do you have something you'd like to admit? It seems all the rage now.


I have nothing to confess, i'm always following the rules. Eg. i don't post chat logs outside C&P, because it's against the forums rules.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#354 - 2013-11-09 20:45:11 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response.


Although i agree with your point in general, this bit caught my attention.

It leads me to ask, Who the F*ck are you and why do you feel yourself important enough to warrant CCP needing your input on anything it does?
Seriously, your self important attitude is getting tiresome now, Your not important, your not a celebrity, your a nobody who uses these forums to troll and thinks people actually give 2 sh*ts about anything you or your alt James does or says.

TDLR: Get over yourself, sooner rather than later please and disappear back under the rock you crawled from.

Cant wait for the CSM voting tbh as it might hit home eventually that NOBODY GIVES A ****
Cattibrie Do'Urden
Science Hauling Industry Trading and Engineering
#355 - 2013-11-09 21:41:44 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
As I said, there's over 18 pages of people proclaiming they, or some "good portion," are going to quit, but 20 pages from now they'll still be here. Who, exactly, is so terribly affected by this then?


This was going to be my exact point. It's something I've seen raised in many other MMOs - how many people will leave because of CCP's actions? How many have already left because of their actions? If there are issues with CCP then I suspect people should vote with their wallets by not subscribing. But I suspect many have invested too much time in the game to want to do that, so wish to engage with CCP by talking. However you then have a catch-22, you continue to pay for a game to argue with CCP, CCP continue to get their money and life goes on.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#356 - 2013-11-09 21:44:31 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response.


Although i agree with your point in general, this bit caught my attention.

It leads me to ask, Who the F*ck are you and why do you feel yourself important enough to warrant CCP needing your input on anything it does?
Seriously, your self important attitude is getting tiresome now, Your not important, your not a celebrity, your a nobody who uses these forums to troll and thinks people actually give 2 sh*ts about anything you or your alt James does or says.

TDLR: Get over yourself, sooner rather than later please and disappear back under the rock you crawled from.

Cant wait for the CSM voting tbh as it might hit home eventually that NOBODY GIVES A ****


Haha, look at this post.
Jim Era
#357 - 2013-11-09 22:17:14 UTC
I too would appreciate some SP, maybe some ISK I lost one time when being stupid and got blown up...maybe a couple times

Also, I would like my bounty to be erased (without my dying involved).

And my genolution implants that I sold, my drunk self did it so it shouldn't reflect on me.

Wat™
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#358 - 2013-11-09 22:29:45 UTC
wagashi wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how few people can take two steps in someone else's shoes. "Griefers are bad don't let them have their game!" "CCP is just fixing what was unfair" If this was someone loosing their Titan because "I clicked jump instead of bridge" we'd be hearing HTFU and Thats EvE yo. If CCP walked up and said "ya looks like ya made a honest mistake here's your titan back." I'd be able to heat my living room with flames coming off the screen . This effectively what this was, Erotica1's version of PVP. If you all don't believe in do overs for ships in space why do overs for contracts and SP?


This.

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Logicycle
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#359 - 2013-11-09 22:30:02 UTC
This is a little sad to read about, because about 3 years ago I had a paid subscription while i was not training for approximately 6 months because i was working in a god forsaken middle eastern country with no internet. I didn't even bother to ask for SP reimbursement because I was thought I already knew what the answer would be...

I guess as the old saying goes.... the cry baby gets the bottle. Oh well...
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#360 - 2013-11-09 22:52:47 UTC
The forum ate my post, Erotica, but don't fret, I'll be posting a rebuttal as soon as I'm back at my keyboard. And for the guy talking about being in a Middle Eastern country, if terrorists can access the internet from a cave, you could have done so too.