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Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-11-09 12:16:16 UTC
This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.

I don't like the ECM game mechanics.

I don't like it because it is only about not letting players play.
Damping is good because even if it restrain your lock range or your locking time it is possible in some condition to do something.
Same thing for neutralizers even if I find them unfair for Amarr and Gallente in regard of Minmatars, that can always shoot while neutralized.

But ECM is really defferent. When you are ECM you can simply do nothing. Needless to talk about the frustration of not be able to play your ship.

But it simply kill any tactical game.

I think it is not an interestening gameplay. I have all the skill to fly a Rook or a Falcon. I fly them sometimes, but in fact I don't like it. I don't like to be ECM and I don't like ECM someone because it is only antigame...

It is true that in fleet it is quite different because there are choices to do . But in small gangs against lone targets it is only a ****...

Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-09 12:19:36 UTC
I like your corp name
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-11-09 12:20:33 UTC
Yes, we know...

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-11-09 12:22:06 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.

I don't like the ECM game mechanics.

Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...



Grrrrrr.... Goon "Sharing" thread. P

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-11-09 12:23:18 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
When you are ECM you can simply do nothing


there are counters to ECM too - counter ECM, drones, auto-targetting missiles
Kalrissia
Temporal Incursion
#6 - 2013-11-09 12:25:05 UTC
Don't forget the smartbombs. Shiny.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-11-09 13:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
Renegade Heart wrote:
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
When you are ECM you can simply do nothing


there are counters to ECM too - counter ECM, drones, auto-targetting missiles


God forbid someone fits an ECCM . . .

Edit: Just found your other thread and like I have stated there, I have requested a lock on one because they are duplicate threads.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#8 - 2013-11-09 14:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
In principle neuts are basically the same, why don't we ever see anyone whining about neuts? They stop you from doing anything to your target unless your using certain things. Same with ECM.

If your worried about ECM, fit ECCM, or use drones as your primary damage type, or keep at a distance and damp them, or neut them or bring your own ******* ECM. If your soloing and your engaging someone who is bringing ECM with something you can't counter ECM with then you already ****** up. Same as any other situation.

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#9 - 2013-11-09 14:42:39 UTC
then i would assume u don't like gate camps either ? cause it doesn't let people play instead of getting sent back to station ?

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-11-09 17:14:34 UTC
If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-11-09 17:45:16 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?


Besides the usual Brobirds, you will find quite often especially in small gang, Nuetgeddons and your Celestis.

Also, during the steamrolling of Fountain..CFC employed a metricfuckton of damps.
GreenSeed
#12 - 2013-11-09 18:41:28 UTC
if people keep complaining CCP might actually have to do something about it.

oh well, as many pople have already pointed out ECCM is nice and RECCM is even nicer, the problem is, if you don't face ECM, the ECCM does nothing, and even if you do face ECM, ECCM just lowers the chance, not the effect.

compare SeBos to ECCM, SeBos reduce the dampening effect, while also allowing you to lock faster on AFs, Pods, etc.. ECCM simply makes it less likely that you will end up sitting a 20 second jam.

i think, ECCM should reduce jam time in addition to reducing jam chance.

but hey, the **** do i know, right?
Good Posting
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-11-09 19:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Good Posting
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?



I've been in many CFC blobs with the support of Celestis fleets... Megathron and Celestis doctrines are the reason why Test is "having a lot of fun!!" in slumsec.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#14 - 2013-11-09 19:03:18 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
This one is like a rage post even if I am not angry in fact.

I don't like the ECM game mechanics.

I don't like it because it is only about not letting players play.
Damping is good because even if it restrain your lock range or your locking time it is possible in some condition to do something.
Same thing for neutralizers even if I find them unfair for Amarr and Gallente in regard of Minmatars, that can always shoot while neutralized.

But ECM is really defferent. When you are ECM you can simply do nothing. Needless to talk about the frustration of not be able to play your ship.

But it simply kill any tactical game.

I think it is not an interestening gameplay. I have all the skill to fly a Rook or a Falcon. I fly them sometimes, but in fact I don't like it. I don't like to be ECM and I don't like ECM someone because it is only antigame...

It is true that in fleet it is quite different because there are choices to do . But in small gangs against lone targets it is only a ****...

Yes it is only my opinion. But I wanted to share it here...



Dude Ive seen vids of rooks killing ships solo bc and such things. Your a support ship so its kinda gonna be this way.ECM is fine if you don't like it switch over to the other Ewar ships I hear the Pilgrim is fun to fly.

Blue
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-11-09 19:06:16 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?


ahaha good one 9/10

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Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-11-09 19:10:05 UTC
He's just upset because earlier his BC got ganked by a fleet of 4 and blames it entirely on the Blackbird jamming his ship in to oblivion. Clearly he would have walked away unharmed, if it had been a Celestis instead.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-11-09 19:26:54 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
If Neutralizer, and Damps were exactly the same thing than ECM, why don't we see more Celestis or Curses in fleets?


subjective perception

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2013-11-09 19:56:54 UTC
Its like this is the first time a goonfleet has encountered a Falcon before....



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Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-11-09 20:50:43 UTC
I just think that ECM are not an interestening game mechanic.
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-09 21:45:48 UTC
My personnal feeling is ECCM should give you something apart from just countering ECM.My suggestion is a slight . reduction in SIG Radius making it harder for ships to lock on and track you.As has been pointed out by GRREN SEED SeBos gives you advantages outside of countering Damps.With faster locks and better tracking ect.
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