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Nice Job CCP. Now Can We All Get 17m Free Skillpoints Also?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2013-11-09 07:50:14 UTC
That being said I must have missed the part in this thread where some proof was actually offered for the claim.

I'm all for getting all indignant on CCP for doing stupid things, as long as I'm decently sure they actually did it. It's believable for sure, but I'd like to have some hard evidence.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kate stark
#302 - 2013-11-09 07:50:19 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Kate stark wrote:

CCP are simply inconsistent in it's enforcement of the rules.

Tell me something, do you think an organization that is "inconsistent in it's enforcement of the rules" will somehow change its inconsistency based off of one trivially insignificant case? Do you honestly think that such an inconsistent organization uses such trivial events as precedents for later action?

CCP doesn't follow precedent, never has. Don't believe me? They flip-flop on whether a dozen decloak cans on a gate is either allowed or a bannable repeat offense on an almost weekly basis. CCP does not follow precedent on anything. If they did, they would never have given out rare blueprints again after T20.


and that's the reason for the thread. people are sick and tired of this inconsistency.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#303 - 2013-11-09 07:53:56 UTC
Seriously though. Did I miss something?
The only "proof" I see is Erotica1 telling us how this guy's API shows the reimbursed skillpoints. But that's just her word.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#304 - 2013-11-09 07:58:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Seriously though. Did I miss something?
The only "proof" I see is Erotica1 telling us how this guy's API shows the reimbursed skillpoints. But that's just her word.


See your evemail. Big smile

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2013-11-09 08:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Darius JOHNSON wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response.


Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air.


Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread.

I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles.

In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story.

Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article.

Because now, they've got a whole new kettle of fish to deal with.

For the record...


I want my free SP for the three months I was subbed but not playing due to intense studying at university.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#306 - 2013-11-09 08:39:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Darius JOHNSON wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response.


Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air.


Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread.

I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles.

In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story.

Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article.

Bwaahahahahah

Sorry, no.
Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website.
It's self serving action.

That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2013-11-09 08:40:48 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Darius JOHNSON wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I requested CCP speak to me before taking any action, but I did not receive a response.


Don't have anything else to say in this thread except who the **** are you that CCP should talk to you before dealing with another customer? Talk about having your entitled nose in the air.


Interesting how you started with "don't have anything else to say" and then continued to say stacks throughout the thread.

I believe you need to pay more attention to the wording here. Erotica1 wasn't after correspondence with CCP prior to taking action regarding Heavy Rain, Erotica1 was requesting more information/clarification of the issue before taking action re: writing the articles.

In other words, Erotica1 was doing what any good journalist does, attempts to make contact with all parties involved regarding an newsworthy issue. And considering the regular material posted on minerbumping.com these days, this is a particularly golden nugget of a story.

Which also makes Erotica1, in this case, a stalwart representative of the entire player base, CSM or not. That's who the **** she is that CCP should have responded to her requests for more information before taking action, ie, writing the article.

Bwaahahahahah

Sorry, no.
Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website.
It's self serving action.

That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA.


Of course she is, but that doesn't change the subject matter of the content that she is using to do so now does it? If a presidential candidate is accepting bribes and his competitor points that out, with evidence, for the sake of winning the election, do you just ignore the fact that a presidential candidate is accepting bribes by virtue of the subject matter serving an ulterior motive?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Motoko Innocentius
Domus Dei
#308 - 2013-11-09 08:41:56 UTC
Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#309 - 2013-11-09 08:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Motoko Innocentius wrote:
Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.


I am very clear that I am responding to a player announcement in chat and ts and what we can see in a public API. I am not asking for nor have I viewed a petition response to Heavy Rayne. That distinction is important if you want to start talking about rules.

Many people here know how much I respect CCP overall and the EULA.

The GM's made their announcement public when they awarded the skillpoints to a character who has an active full account API live. No I will not post another player's API on Eve forums.

*edit* Velicitia is deciding whether to break Heavy Rayne's alpha pod record as we speak. He also unplugged his golden pod. You can google his killmail if you need "proof" as I will not link killmails here either.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2013-11-09 08:52:29 UTC
Motoko Innocentius wrote:
Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.


It could well be spun that way if and when this thread gets locked, but look back throughout the history of EVE and the various scandals that CCP have faced and you would see a pattern - no amount of thread-locking tempered the outrage over Incarna, T-20, and more recently SOMER (<<-- to me, this one was an overreaction, but I digress), and now this. Free SP for "my brother did it"? Not good enough. In fact, of all the developers I love and respect, this is the first I've seen cave to this pathetic excuse for dumbarsery. Bungie would have laughed at him and told him to get ******, Turn 10 would have bricked his console (if it was a console game, but let's not go there...), and if it was a LAN party in the 90s, we would have taken his hardware outside and smashed it all on the pavement. Anything that didn't break instantly would then be immediately sledge-hammered while the player was restrained and tickled incessantly to reduce his ability to struggle.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Bal'Ayle
Loona's Loonatics
#311 - 2013-11-09 09:37:38 UTC
As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.

Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.

If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.

Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?

I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!

I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given
I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player
And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.

Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#312 - 2013-11-09 09:42:00 UTC
Bal'Ayle wrote:
As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.

Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.

If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.

Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?

I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!

I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given
I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player
And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.

Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.


Actually, he returned the following day to do some more poddings. I just want to point that out.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#313 - 2013-11-09 09:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Bal'Ayle wrote:
Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.

Well, that was the intention behind the whole thing... to ennrage people... that was the reason behind all the recent "scandals", actually. That's certainly one way to make a name for oneself in in the community... Roll In politics it's called populism - plump, but effective.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Bal'Ayle
Loona's Loonatics
#314 - 2013-11-09 09:53:35 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Bal'Ayle wrote:
As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.

Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.

If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.

Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?

I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!

I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given
I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player
And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.

Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.


Actually, he returned the following day to do some more poddings. I just want to point that out.


My apologies Erotica 1 - If that is in fact the case the previous SP should be removed if he is deliberately doing this to himself. As I said if it was a once off, OMG what happened moment I applaud CCP for their kindness. I have been burned in the past and to see such a gift squandered is disgussting.

Shalua Rui - I have not had many dealing with Erotica 1, I have just come back from an absence. I think perhaps making oneself the enemy of CCP relations would have a negative effect with the community?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#315 - 2013-11-09 09:58:45 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Motoko Innocentius wrote:
Isn't erotica 1 breaking forum conduct by announcing a gm decision, especially for another player? :D i'm not sure ofcourse, so if someone that can bother reading the precise wordings on the rules, do post your findings.


I am very clear that I am responding to a player announcement in chat and ts and what we can see in a public API. I am not asking for nor have I viewed a petition response to Heavy Rayne. That distinction is important if you want to start talking about rules.

Many people here know how much I respect CCP overall and the EULA.

The GM's made their announcement public when they awarded the skillpoints to a character who has an active full account API live. No I will not post another player's API on Eve forums.

*edit* Velicitia is deciding whether to break Heavy Rayne's alpha pod record as we speak. He also unplugged his golden pod. You can google his killmail if you need "proof" as I will not link killmails here either.

Pfffft. Post with your main. Twisted
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2013-11-09 10:02:37 UTC
Bal'Ayle wrote:
As disheartened as I am that this has happened when I have been subbed and forgot to set skills etc. I actually think they did good here.

Depending on the circumstances one chap has lost a colossal amount of skill points thru pod deaths and claimed it was his brothers fault etc.

If somone got so depressed they started doing it and regretted it. or if someone had their account hacked and this done to them you would EXPECT them to be restored to a prior the event time.

Its not that hes been given free SP hes just has it restored after what I would describe as a funny scam?

I mean come on he earned the skill points like the rest of us originally anyway. He just had a really stupid decision undone for him. I would of done the same thing, how would you feel if you got drunk and lost 20m SP getting podded? I would file a petition!

I feel like the topic is misleading - as it was restored not given
I feel like it is a private matter between the GM and player
And i feel like this is here just to stir up hatred for CCP.

Reading the topic i was enraged. looking at it I can understand the decision. but many people wont read. and many people will be enraged.


Real world analogy incoming...

If you make a stupid decision to hand your car keys to a stranger, and he takes off with the car, do you think the manufacturer should give you a new one?

The point is, though, analogies aside, as you said, "he had a really stupid decision undone with him," but for a game that's purported to consequence-oriented, all he's going to learn from this is that he can get away with making stupid decisions by claiming "his brother did it". That is, quite simply, he suffered zero consequences for poor decision making, which is so far from the true flavour of EVE that he might as well be playing something else entirely.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#317 - 2013-11-09 10:04:34 UTC
Just block the attention wh'o and get back to shooting each other ingame in the face, problem solved.

I for one will not get my panties in a bunch and get jacked up by something as vague, unfounded, easily misinterpreted and forged "evidence" as presented by an attention wh'o like the OP.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#318 - 2013-11-09 11:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Erotica's constant scams has real-life effects?

Who would have thought!?

Seriously, just how many people are you going to Pod over and over, make sing and dance, send silly pictures of themselves to you, all for your own twisted amusement, just to collect their tears? Oh, and there's the isk you steal from them too, mustn't forget that. Shocked

Personally, love that he got his skillpoints back. One less thing for these scammers to get turned on by.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2013-11-09 11:30:06 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Bwaahahahahah

Sorry, no.
Erotica1 is publicising themselves and seeking glory as well as additional hits on their website.
It's self serving action.

That said, I am interested to see said 'proof' since if it really exists it does need to be handed to IA.


API logs. You're the third person to ask this. They're in the hands of various people.

Dodixie > Hek
BigDaddy Cool
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#320 - 2013-11-09 11:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BigDaddy Cool
Anything that annoys scammers and those that support them is more than welcome. CCP were right to reimburse his skillpoints as it annoyed the scammers.