Assembly Hall

Have you ever heard the expression, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink”? The fundamental issue here is that some people just don’t want to fight. The devs and GMs and mercenaries may wish otherwise and may seek to find ways to force the issue, but those efforts are doomed to failure.

If a dec mechanic locked a corporation into an alliance (or out of one) and locked every single member into that corporation for the duration of the war, it would only lead to people leaving the game. The only result of a push to force people to PvP is that there will be no PvP from those people. It’s just not going to happen. Just like its not happening now, just like it hasn’t been happening for years. The change to wardec policing changes nothing in practice. Those people were always avoiding the decs. The only people affected by hisec wardecs are those with an attachment to their corp name, those with a POS that can’t be taken down quickly, and those who don’t know better. That’s it.

CCP should spend a little time gathering information from those players about why they don’t want to fight. Or under what conditions they would.

At the end of the day, this is what we’re really talking about when we’re talking about wardec shields and evasion. Like it or not, you can lead a carebear to war, but you can’t make him fight.

Wardecs have always been and will always be pointless. As long as they follow the corp and not the player, they can and will be evaded. In effect, this means wardecs affect only people who care about their corp name, have a POS they can't take down quickly, and the clueless. Any change to wardecs that makes them against individuals will lead to those people leaving the game. They don't want to fight. They aren't going to fight. There is nothing you or CCP can do to make them. Period. The End. There is no fix for wardecs. Just get rid of them.
Ganking is, was, and will always be the only way to get individuals.

The only failing of the change to wardec policing by the GMs is POS destruction. The only solutions that are needed are ones that make POS bashing in hisec possible.

Whenever I hear about extending decs to individual pilots, I just shake my head in amazement. What is it that you think will happen? People avoid decs for a reason. They're not interested in fighting. So what happens when the war gets tagged on to the character? Do these people magically decide to change several year's worth of behavior and playstyle and come out with guns blazing? The potential for never ending griefing that goes with putting decs (or kill rights) on individuals is simply too great and its effect is all too predictable.

If you want to kill something, get your ass to losec/nosec. PvP'ers in hisec are making a paradoxical argument: they want to kill whomever they please, but they don't want non-consensual PvP from anyone else. Choose one or the other; you're either for non-consensual PvP for all or for none.

1: Stupid...very stupid. How the hell can you purge a "spai" inserted prior to wardec declaration.... many have proposed extending war dec period beyond that... which would be the only way I'd allow this suggestion to fly. Otherwise count it burned,trashed,crushed.

2: Again....while its good intended...CEO's should have the right to fire anyone who is a "spai" in their midst during a war dec.

Infilitration is a valid and legiitmate business.... this would give them a great deal of power... I'm sure youll get tons of support for it. But common sense says..nay..scerams...no.

If you honestly think NPC Tax is as evil as you imply it to be....you have alot to learn about "carebearing"

Honestly...I don't have any misgivings over that particular point.

Would solve some of the evasion problems.

Even with Corps jumping from alliances to evade war-decs.

But balance mechanics would have to be carefully wheighed as I'm sure someone will bring up a valid counter-point short of whining about "fairness".

Anything that locks individuals into a wardec will lead to them leaving game. Its also incredibly ripe for griefing, which is exactly why they don't allow it now. The most likely outcome of these changes is obvious: people will just not join a corp. There is no real advantage to corps as it is, with the exception of POS anchoring. Get it through your heads. The people who don't want to fight aren't going to. Nothing you do or say is going to change that. If they're backed into a corner, they're going to quit the game. Any change is going to have deal with that fundamental reality.