Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So I checked out that Rattlesnake linked a page or two ago... 130k EHP Omni with the tank active (593 peak recharge/sustainable DPS). If it was overheated, you're up to 152k Omni (726 peak recharge/sustained DPS). The majority of the damage was from cats, so "antimatter", so only 137k EHP (heated) ... now, the most glaring omission I see on the fit is that there is no damage control.

If that was added (in place of a SPR), the EHP against antimatter Jumps up to 174 k EHP (heated, 630 max regen). That's 37,000 EHP FROM ONE MODULE ... swap around and use 3x SPR + DCU, you're still at 174k EHP, but have a 727 max regen.

Assuming omni + DCU
active -> 166k EHP / 678 regen
heated -> 191k EHP / 829 regen


All numbers above using the standard "All 5" comparison character in Pyfa.

Checking a Golem with nothing but invulns, I get 68k EHP +DCU = 91k.

You really need to work on your core skills mate.

Not true that Kronos had a nice bit of loot on it and using the rule you have been screeching about (total isk value - hull value)/2 that could have been a profitable gank...just barely. And if the Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer and the Corpus C-Type Large Armor Repairer had both dropped, it would have been very profitable.

It is not griefing...which is why CCP will do nothing.

And in both cases (CNR and Kronos), overheating one's tank can buy enough time to try and kill one or more of the attackers and possibly foil the gank attempt.

I like the cut of your jib, sir.

Well played.

So you REFUSE to use tools available to you and cry foul because as a result, people exploit your poor choices?

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds? That you refuse to use tools available and demand CCP change the game because you refuse to use said tools?

I do believe this may not be the game for you.

I just checked for ***** and giggles and used my skills (close to all Vs) and found the following:

Resists for Thermal Damage increases from 69.6% to 74.1%. What does that mean, well if I did the math right the damage from thermal damage is reduced 14.8%. That is suppose incoming damage is 100*, the actual incoming damage will drop from 30.4 to 25.9.

For kinetic the relevant percentages are 77.2% and 80.6% meaning the actual incoming damages are 22.8 and 19.4 respectively.

Combined damage (again, assuming I did the math right) is 25.97 and 22.11 respectively. That is incoming damage drops by 14.86%.

What does that mean in practical terms? It is as if the gankers were down 1.78 catalysts. So overheating your modules means that you are going to making a significant reduction in the incoming DPS. If you can lock and kill one of the catalysts (maybe not doable) but then they'd be down even more DPS. As a previous commenter noted quite possibly enough to limp away in structure and save your expensive hull. Or try warping off. You have bought yourself more time by overheating...maybe enough to get out.

Could they bring more ships? Sure, but that just makes it harder for them to turn a profit.

Bottomline: Overheating can save your bacon.

*Note this is for the purpose of exposition, not mean to be actual incoming damage--i.e. if you get hung up on the 100 damage you are dumb.

Freedom Equality. You seem to have this idea that you should not have to interact with others in a PVP MMO. CCP has repeatedly stated, the only place to be 100% safe is in a station. As such, every time you undock, you are betting whatever ship you have against every other player in the game. You cannot think "Oh, I'm in a mining ship so I shouldn't have to take part in combat." At its core, EvE is a game only about shooting each other. Yes, there are "non-combat" ships (although many have tried to make combat ships out of them) however they are only there to support combat. Yes, there are non shooting PVP activities but these only exist because of, or to support, combat going on somewhere. Even the market requires combat to work.

Now when you optimize your ship for one aspect you are intentionally reducing its capabilities in other departments. You are taking a risk. You stated earlier that this is forcing you to fly specific ships, this is not true. You can fly whatever you want (except capitals in high sec) and yes, certain ships are better for certain activities but you still have a list of several ships that can fill the bill. Personally, I have flown an orca into missions and combat sites. Is it the best choice? No, but it works. I have also bum rushed level 3s in a fleet of frigates and level 4s in a fleet of cruisers/battle-cruiser. I, and this is just my opinion, would say that a Naga with logistics support is significantly better than any marauder for level 4s. I have even fitted cruisers and battleships with mining lasers for mining.

As for griefing. You say you are being griefed when someone blows you up in a PVP game? Do you feel griefed in Team Fortress 2 or Call of Duty when someone kills you? Ship loss in Eve is expected, that is why there is insurance. Now you will probably point out that you cannot insure T2 hulls for any reasonable amount. Well, CCP has stated why this is however, I feel it is another risk versus reward aspect. You want that extra little bit more? You are going to have to pay for it. Personally I have not insured my ships in years. I make sure that my mining ships are properly tanked and I keep my eyes on local.

You call for half the ships hull values (I think, I can't remember the specific number from your earlier posts) to be reimbursed to the victim. What I see there is a great way to make money. I would fly an untanked retriever with the cheapest fittings in the most dangerous space I could, hoping for someone to blow me up. Insurance plus half my hull value? Wow! The ore I mine would just be icing on the cake.

If it were up to me I would completely rework high sec. I find it to be to safe and it encourages your kind of mentality. Now I would not make it like low sec. Instead, npcs would be a very serious threat that would require player cooperation to deal with.

Kreskin mode....

I will hereby predict Freedom Equality's future posts (in TL;DR format):

No, no, no, no!!

I want to play the game and do whatever I want in High Security space with absolutely no consequences for my choices and actions no matter how boneheaded they are!!!!

[End Kreskin mode...]

There you go Freedom Equality, no need to post now either.

Edit:

And what is truly annoying is that people are offering solutions and ideas on how to avoid ganks, how to withstand ganks, how to even possibly beat the gankers at their own game (e.g. camp that freighter wreck and keep them from scooping that loot). And what is the resposne? What? Effort?!?! Not being able to have CCP solve my problems?!!?! That is outrageous!!!

confirming missions will hang you up at the gate.

er wait .. you know ... I don't know about probing someone down ... I know trying to warp to a fleet member 2 rooms in means I have to go thru the gates, or if I bm a spot in a mission room, the gates will stop me.

It doesnt matter if you probe someone down or warp to fleet member result will be the same: you'll land on beacon of 1st pocket and will have to jump all those gates to get to target/fleet member. This produces some rare LOL moments when fleet of catalysts lands in the middle of unstable gas cloud of L4 Recon (3/3): even if all waves fired already - every new ship warping in will produce additional wave of damage, while you are watching all this on dscan from safety of 2nd pocket.