EVE General Discussion

Wars are a traditional part of EVE Online. This is not supposed to be a game of carefree existence. There are presently wars going on in 24 Countries and 121 conflicts between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups throughout the world. Sounds like EVE to me. Do keep in mind as well that expensive and cheap are relative terms. A newer player or freshly minted corp with no direction is going to have a tougher time in any war than a well led and goal oriented corp. Finances are also a factor as more established players are likely to be able to field better ships and have the hard and soft skills needed to survive and thrive in an EVE war. Finally, knowing your corp personally you've had several chances to avoid war decs, but your leadership and diplomatic officers routinely fail you and make you a target. The fact that a corp member chooses to leave a corp or go dorment and play an alt is a temporary patch for carebears. Capsuleers who are dedicated to the life of violent conflict and expansion in EVE will ferret out those alts in due course. I've done it quite a few times and it isn't that hard.

While the real action is and always has been in nul-sec sometimes it is fun to mingle with the high-sec scrubs of EVE and harvest their delicious tears.

Nope, Mr peanut-head is in his one man corp with his own alt.

well, actually, the 'dec was because Omar said he had never gotten a "frivolous" dec ever so I gave him what he wanted. We've chatted a bit ingame now, and this is gonna be hilarious, because at the end of the day ... who doesn't like exploding space-pixels?





Did not. I just said "don't be a moron and bring 100 against 20 and expect the 20 to fight.

smalls take 4-5 hours (assuming they were bad and forgot the stront and hardeners). 3-4 days if stronted (RF being 1d 16h, IIRC)

Personally, since I don't play 23/7 like you apparently do, a war is ALWAYS going to involve a lot of "wasted time" (because hell, I'm only playing 15h/week on the best of weeks as it stands) ... and even with that, 3 and change million per hour of being allowed to freely shoot an entire corp's worth of people is worth it. Maybe not necessarily when the corp is one man like this time ... but meh

If I get lucky, I'll destroy 50m isk and at least break even in the numbers (since technically, I'm down 50m in the "ISK battle" and the war hasn't even started yet) ... if I don't, then he won ... simples.


Really, I was just joking around with the locator crack (figured he'd just not sign in)-- it was a few evemails later that Omar was like "nah, seriously, I asked for it ... this sounds fun"

Ahem...

Oh, wait, Velicitia threw me out of the carebears.

Never mind, carry on...

Yes, the alliance tournament is very good but it isn't everyday. Eve wouldn't come to a standstill if that sort of fighting was available all the time, it would be useful additional functionality. I have previously said else where that it is a great showcase for the sort of feature that should be available in some form or another, ways of fighting shouldn't be locked up inside special events.

I do want consensual pvp, the only current option for it is the duel system and that system is incredibly limited. Whilst I would guess that most duel requests are turned down, freighter pilots are so boring, some of them do get accepted so there is a demonstrated desire for consensual pvp. For some unknown reason you appear desperate to equate the inclusion of consensual pvp with the removal of non consensual pvp and I have not said that and cant see why it would be necessary. If there were more combat options then perhaps they would require some form of balance or grading but only to the extent that form part of a larger pvp system.

I have said that that the aggressor should put something on the line, have assets in space. To my mind that actually makes high sec more dangerous as there is stuff that can be destroyed, a risk. I have said that daft ratios of 1300 to 1 shouldn't normally result in victory, again, I think that actually suggests a more dangerous high sec. However you are hell bent on the idea that risk and battles are something that should be avoided in high sec, because the system is primitive it must remain primitive - I think that is daft.

I don't get why, when discussing game mechanics that effect all the characters on this account that I need to post with all three for you to be able to participate in the discussion. You do know where the game ends and you begin, don't you?


Velicitia, no one plays 23/7, that is also a slight issue. We have previously been dec'd by corps that are in the wrong time zone or from the other side of the universe. Whilst I will guess that you are going to somehow spin that into some fantastic feature of PvP I think people in general would like some chance of a fight when they click the button. As ever that doesn't mean no non consensual pvp but common sense says that a fight can only happen if the both sides are in the same place at the same time - some system that provided an option to specify the where and when someone wanted a fight wouldn't end the game.

I do think that your economics are wrong, I don't think you consider the things that the war system can not count. In real terms even a fairly small industrial type corp missing a couple of mining ops because of war will cost them hundreds of isk. It would be difficult to think of a scenario where the financial impact of war would be greater for the aggressor especially since war, in my experience, involves silly player ratios.

1.) People fight wars to gain SOV (in case of nullwars) or to kill an enemy.

Your idea is that people only PvP for prices...which is wrong, they PvP because it's fun.

And you can already PvP everyday...cause of low and null, cause of wardecs.

I know people who will wardec on a Thursday, so they can fight over the weekend and then retract the war on Sunday. This so they can make money during the week while most people are busy with work etc.

Fighting isn't locked inside special events.

You can fight anywhere at any time already.



If you want consensual PvP...go play a different MMO.

You don't want consensual PvP, you want a risk free environment for your carebearing main.




You do know that most guys who want to consensually PvP, just throw a duel...or go to low-sec / null-sec.

There are already plenty of options to fight together.



And you sir, can't read.

I'm for MORE risk in EVE.
I want all the carebears to either leave EVE or adapt to a life of PvP.
I want high-sec removed in total...If people want to play EVE, they should know how to defend themself.



Yes it matters, you just proven to us all you are a whining carebear that is too afraid to post with his ideas with his main cause he is too afraid it will affect his money making carebearing game time.

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Velicitia, no one plays 23/7, that is also a slight issue. We have previously been dec'd by corps that are in the wrong time zone or from the other side of the universe. Whilst I will guess that you are going to somehow spin that into some fantastic feature of PvP I think people in general would like some chance of a fight when they click the button. As ever that doesn't mean no non consensual pvp but common sense says that a fight can only happen if the both sides are in the same place at the same time - some system that provided an option to specify the where and when someone wanted a fight wouldn't end the game.
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1. That means the guys that wardecced you weren't out there to fight you. They just decced you because they knew what would happen...delicious carebear tears would flow. They would whine that CCP should change the mechanics of war (as you just proven in this thread).

2. There is already an option to find "consensual" PvP when you want it...Go ROAM null-sec...you will find plenty of people who will happily exchange ammo with you.

Really, all your answers so far only showed us one thing. You have NO idea what you are talking about because all of this is way beyond your comfort zone of carebearing.

Nope. we war dec to make money. Increasign it to 100M woudl cripple this economy.

No one war decs a 3-4 member corp for 50 mil unless a member has pissed them. Its not effective. We look for a t least 20 members to make a war.


Your idea is horrible and comes form someoen clueless.

The opposite shoudl be made!

THe problem is on the amssive ammount fo under 10 peopel corps in this game.


That is FIRVOLOUS are NPC corps and tiny persnal coprs where only 1 character live.

NPC COrps shoudl ahve a 50% Tax rate. Your won corp shoudl have 40%, reducing by 1 % per memgber!

Exactly because a basic game mechanic could never never be a bad idea that needs updating. And customers leaving taking their cash with them. Pfft, what business needs customers right?

But you got to spew another knee jerk answer though...



You clearly need a Gibberish to English dictionary...