Player Features and Ideas Discussion

PICTURES! Because text is silly!

CURRENT w/current zealot for comparisson!

PROPSOED w/current zealot for comparisson!

Proposed Bonus Changes!


The idea is to enhance the feeling of being a recon including enhancing specialization. Many people complain about the pilgrim not having the range bonus I however see it in a different light. Its neuts are simply not effective enough at close range. Increase that effectiveness and expand to cap transfer ability for possible new metas (spider tanking pilgrims etc). Remove the targeting delay like on stealth bombers and allow them to ignore bubbles.

Alternatively instead of allowing them to ignore bubbles simply increase their speed while cloaked like black ops so at level 5 they move say at the speed of a shuttle while cloaked (625m/sec or so).

the Curse needs to be as fast as a cerberus to keep up with the current generation of ships and of course enhanced hit points and capacitor. The thing is a damned neut boat that is almost forced to fit a micro-warp drive that eats at a large chunk of its cap just by being fit.

Tuning up base cap and lowering recharge time is almost a must as well as lowering the agility modifier (still not as agile as the current huginn). To be a combat recon the drone damage bonus needs enhancing and a slight addition to bandwidth for a bit of tactical flexibility and a large expansion of capacity for a few flights.

comments please!

edit: forgot to put in 50% reduction in cyno duration for new pilgrim.

get some reading glasses

The only recon that really needs a tweak is the Pilgrim. Give it a similar bonus to the Curse. Or give it more range and less amount. Or slightly less range and more amount. But it needs neut range comparable to the Curse.

I disagree about the sig radius simply based on the sig of t2 logistics being between 65 and 85. These are still higher and with less tank. I agree about the nos drain rate being a bit slow to be useful...but that is another argument and not limited to the pilgrim/curse. The curses don't get the cap x-fer bonus in my proposal...but it could be interesting to try if they also get a range extension. They can't do 2K while cloaked...I don't know where you got that. But putting their speed on par with t1 cruisers isn't OP. I would prefer the cloaked speed boost to bubble immunity but I thought I'd slip it in there as an idea. The buffs to cap are slim and in-line with what was done to hacs in general and in fact markedly less so than what hac's received.

I want the pilgrim to be the close in heavy tackler...gets a scram and drops cyno on the target. The decloaking deplay is just too much of a pain and I'd have it stay. You're already at 0ms when you light a cyno so I don't see it as broken. Hell being in scram range puts you in major danger. The pilgrim is unique among the recons for having a reasonable tank at close range.

Too long, didn't read all the comments.

Basically, I agree with the OP because of reasons, racecar and/or shut up.

Basically. This is how it is and okay because I said maybe it isn't the good enough thing to do right then, but now it is going to was be a little bit more like what things are.

Learn to type instead of photoshop. It's faster and easier to understand.

Not sure about the changes though as I do not fly recons very often. Lets see what CCP proposes and then debate them.

dude, I never implied that you were asking for 2km/s cloaked recons, I was just making that comment offhand because I was interested in the idea of a cloaked velocity bonus.

Yes the amarr recons are cap dependent. That's why they fit cap boosters. That doesn't mean buffing their cap is going to make them not need cap boosters, nor does it mean their cap recharge should be nearly doubled. Yeah, HACs got their capacitors buffed. Moderately. So I pointed out that if you're going to give a reasonable buff to recons, then it should also be moderate. Not 50% more cap AND reduced recharge time.

Recons should be slower than attack cruisers. And they should have bigger sigs than logi. There I said it again.

I think being able to WARP CLOAKED is a very good way of showing just how specialized the covert recon is. Why exactly does it need to be able to instalock out of cloak, something that only one ship can do? well blopsBS can too, but not really. Also if the guy didn't see local and run while you were sneaking up on him, then he isn't going to make it out in 5 seconds. Particularly so if you uncloak by bumping (if the situation allows ofc), which seems to have worked for pilgrim pilots pretty well for the last forever years. Something that will be even easier with a supposed 650m/s cloaked recon. If you can't tackle someone that didn't notice you before you uncloaked, you're bad, or you picked a bad thing to tackle.

And yeah, about cynos, don't be a prick. A ship needs to be balanced in all its applications, not just select ones. So of course there are other ships you can cyno with that might be better. Just because I pointed out the pilgrim already works fine as a cyno ship (covert, suicide, or otherwise) doesn't mean im endorsing as the best.

Boo hoo you can't be bothered to dodge bubbles, its not the biggest deal in the world. Yeah T3s can do it already, but there are many things that the pilgrim already brings to the table that they don't. Such as having enough DPS to kill something while capping it out. Try getting that out of a cloaky, nullified t3.

I took the time to read your posts, examine your numbers, and offer my opinions. You're not the first guy to try their hand at that and come up with something horribly broken, and you certainly won't be the last ( No need to be mad at me about it.