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Does WAR make players leave Eve?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#381 - 2013-11-08 14:42:11 UTC
Cyborg 497:
I've been in a 1 man corp for 4 years, no frivolous wardecs yet. I assume tho that if I do ruffle someone's feathers enough I'll eventually get one. I'm not really scary, so I don't think that is the reason. I'm beginning to think that this issue with wardecs upon small player corps you seem to have stems from your original post, that perhaps you or someone near you was an asshat and suddenly had to face the consequences of your or their actions as a result... and it didn't sit well with you. While EVE has only a few similarities to the real world, suffering consequences for behaving badly is one of them.
Making wardecs more expensive wont stop them, it will simply increase the amount of ISK that your aggressor is going to demand to stop the war. Push that number high enough and you'll be facing bankruptcy in order to bring the war to a halt...
oh, wait, never mind. You are in a NPC corp, so you don't have to worry about that.... carry on.
Edit: Apparently I AM drunk enough to be posting in GD.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#382 - 2013-11-08 15:06:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:


Small carebear corps that prey on unknowing newbies are among the worst kind of griefers this game has to offer. The only thing that really beats them is the people who haven't even started a corp and instead sit in the newbie corps spreading the same misinformation.

Parasites is a good, if blunt, way of describing them. They infest these poor newbies with all kinds of ridiculous ideas about what the game is — most of which bear no resemblance to reality — and suck the will to explore the vastness of opportunities presented by the game right out of them. They're trash in the same way as any other griefer is trash: something befouling the place with their mere presence and making the environment much less pleasant than it otherwise could be. They are the one that teach new players that not playing is a good option; they're the ones that make the newbies quit because they impose such ridiculous restrictions on what the newbies are “allowed” to do.



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Velicitia
XS Tech
#383 - 2013-11-08 15:19:36 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Cyborg 497:
I've been in a 1 man corp for 4 years, no frivolous wardecs yet. I assume tho that if I do ruffle someone's feathers enough I'll eventually get one. I'm not really scary, so I don't think that is the reason. I'm beginning to think that this issue with wardecs upon small player corps you seem to have stems from your original post, that perhaps you or someone near you was an asshat and suddenly had to face the consequences of your or their actions as a result... and it didn't sit well with you. While EVE has only a few similarities to the real world, suffering consequences for behaving badly is one of them.
Making wardecs more expensive wont stop them, it will simply increase the amount of ISK that your aggressor is going to demand to stop the war. Push that number high enough and you'll be facing bankruptcy in order to bring the war to a halt...
oh, wait, never mind. You are in a NPC corp, so you don't have to worry about that.... carry on.
Edit: Apparently I AM drunk enough to be posting in GD.


running locators now. This weekend should be fun Big smile


Really, the thing with "1 man" corps is that they're generally not worth the cost to dec, because you're gonna spend 50m on a dec, and they just don't show. And now you've wasted 50m.

I roll 1 man right now, because I don't want to actually CEO ... but NPC corp chat gives you cancer. I figure that if I wanted to, I could "probably" dec up to a 10 man corp and be able to have fights that aren't too terribly in their favor (unless they continually bring 10:1 odds, then I'm not getting out alive any way you look at it). However, if they're bringing 3:1 or 5:1, I should still have a chance to take 1 or 2 with me... and that's fun.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#384 - 2013-11-08 15:25:36 UTC
If any intrinsic activity in EVE is causing people to leave - than they were in the wrong environment to begin with and nothing is lost.

Think of it this way - If you are a gay male and wondering why you are not having fun while having sex with women, you are in the wrong environment.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#385 - 2013-11-08 15:27:41 UTC
I have sunday off work if you wanna blow each other up. I have extremely limited pvp experience so it should be comically fun.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#386 - 2013-11-08 15:30:43 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have sunday off work if you wanna blow each other up. I have extremely limited pvp experience so it should be comically fun.



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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#387 - 2013-11-08 15:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
I know. I'm only worried that I might die while flying something that's shitfit... kinda like getting hit by a bus while wearing granny panties.
Edit: will make it easy for you... Oipo(sp) or Venilen are places I like to hang out near, also have bits and pieces near Hentogaira/Vasala. Currently in Amarr space, but you know... have gun, will travel. Oipo, not oimo... damn me... I blame the beer!

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Cyborg 497
State War Academy
Caldari State
#388 - 2013-11-08 15:54:39 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have sunday off work if you wanna blow each other up. I have extremely limited pvp experience so it should be comically fun.


Sounds alright! Meet me outside Jita 4-4.

(If I'm not there, start without me).
Velicitia
XS Tech
#389 - 2013-11-08 15:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I know. I'm only worried that I might die while flying something that's shitfit... kinda like getting hit by a bus while wearing granny panties.
Edit: will make it easy for you... Oipo(sp) or Venilen are places I like to hang out near, also have bits and pieces near Hentogaira/Vasala. Currently in Amarr space, but you know... have gun, will travel. Oipo, not oimo... damn me... I blame the beer!


sounds good, if my ISP decides to stop ******* with me, I'll be there.

as for comic fun ... well, I'm terrible at PvP also .. only "expensive kills" I ever get are when I'm KM whoring.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#390 - 2013-11-08 16:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Cyborg 497 wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have sunday off work if you wanna blow each other up. I have extremely limited pvp experience so it should be comically fun.


Sounds alright! Meet me outside Jita 4-4.

(If I'm not there, start without me).

I think you and I are fundamentally not getting each others' points here. I was just granted a 1 vs 1 wardec and am frankly almost as excited as if it were a blind date. I'm pretty sure I'm going to blow up repeatedly, and yet this appeals to me greatly. I've run missions since I started the game, and quit several times, seven years ago. This is a real opportunity to fight with someone who wants to, no hatred involved, and I'm really looking forward to it. Yes, I'm a dedicated carebear, but at the same time this is something different, something new. If I die in a fire I plan on doing so while cackling madly, most likely drunk while doing so. I love this game for what it is, I don't think that changing it to make it easier will make it better.

Edit: and yeah, I only go to Jita when I want to unload loot... I don't really consider it a place to really stay for any period of time... sort of like Juarez, Mexico.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#391 - 2013-11-08 16:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Cyborg 497 wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have sunday off work if you wanna blow each other up. I have extremely limited pvp experience so it should be comically fun.


Sounds alright! Meet me outside Jita 4-4.

(If I'm not there, start without me).

I think you and I are fundamentally not getting each others' points here. I was just granted a 1 vs 1 wardec and am frankly almost as excited as if it were a blind date. I'm pretty sure I'm going to blow up repeatedly, and yet this appeals to me greatly. I've run missions since I started the game, and quit several times, seven years ago. This is a real opportunity to fight with someone who wants to, no hatred involved, and I'm really looking forward to it. Yes, I'm a dedicated carebear, but at the same time this is something different, something new. If I die in a fire I plan on doing so while cackling madly, most likely drunk while doing so. I love this game for what it is, I don't think that changing it to make it easier will make it better.

Edit: and yeah, I only go to Jita when I want to unload loot... I don't really consider it a place to really stay for any period of time... sort of like Juarez, Mexico.



Drunk eve best EVE. I'll bring Jack.
Too bad it's a Sunday, otherwise we could get totally wasted and try killing each other with our capsules Lol

EDIT -- although for one night of fun we could just throw up a duel -- still have 15 minutes after last shot fired ... so setting up several frigates with which to quickly reship should let us fight several times (without a 50m waste of ISK -- which we can use to pay for catalysts to say 'hi' to that noobcorp guy Smile

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#392 - 2013-11-08 16:24:55 UTC
I'm a beer guy, personally. Sam Adams. Best American domestic beer on the market. However, if whiskey would be better I can sport a bottle of Jameson's and we can get really freaky.... battle badgers?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#393 - 2013-11-08 16:30:36 UTC
Cyborg 497 wrote:
To refer to all new small corps as "parasites" is a generalization and insulting, to justify the excessive number of wardecs some mickey mouse psuedo pvp corp can presently afford.

The true parasites are the gankers who loot off others IMO.

The psuedo PVP corps I call them, as they are merely high sec griefers and not serious pvpers (no matter how good at PVP they may be) are effectively a nuisance to anyone who wants to form a new corp.

What is wrong with somebody wishing to start up his or her own corp, and then recruit people to that organization? It doesn't have to be good, there's no requisite for that. It's just part of the freedom allowed in Eve.

The an exclusively high sec PVP corp can wardec them and others, but should have restrictions, namely a 100million cost, to limit the number of frivolous wardecs they do.

This will allow many fledgling corps to improve and adjust therefore enlightening newcomers to the world which Eve has to offer.

And also, I find the missioning, mining and whole market interesting which has been lovingly created, so don't knock it!

so you complain that PvP force PvE on the maggots...uhm, carebears.


yet you want the system so that PvP guys cant play their game.


but Im done reacting to someone who is to scared to post with his main / hides in the NPC start corp and then talks about wardecs, you are even worse then the people who have fail corps with perma wars.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#394 - 2013-11-08 16:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I'm a beer guy, personally. Sam Adams. Best American domestic beer on the market. However, if whiskey would be better I can sport a bottle of Jameson's and we can get really freaky.... battle badgers?


+1 on Sam Adams :)

ed -- and battle badgers too! you're goin down! lolllolol Lol

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Velicitia
XS Tech
#395 - 2013-11-08 16:36:24 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Cyborg 497 wrote:
To refer to all new small corps as "parasites" is a generalization and insulting, to justify the excessive number of wardecs some mickey mouse psuedo pvp corp can presently afford.

The true parasites are the gankers who loot off others IMO.

The psuedo PVP corps I call them, as they are merely high sec griefers and not serious pvpers (no matter how good at PVP they may be) are effectively a nuisance to anyone who wants to form a new corp.

What is wrong with somebody wishing to start up his or her own corp, and then recruit people to that organization? It doesn't have to be good, there's no requisite for that. It's just part of the freedom allowed in Eve.

The an exclusively high sec PVP corp can wardec them and others, but should have restrictions, namely a 100million cost, to limit the number of frivolous wardecs they do.

This will allow many fledgling corps to improve and adjust therefore enlightening newcomers to the world which Eve has to offer.

And also, I find the missioning, mining and whole market interesting which has been lovingly created, so don't knock it!

so you complain that PvP force PvE on the maggots...uhm, carebears.


yet you want the system so that PvP guys cant play their game.


but Im done reacting to someone who is to scared to post with his main / hides in the NPC start corp and then talks about wardecs, you are even worse then the people who have fail corps with perma wars.



how about you get in on some 3-way war/duel action with me and Omar?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#396 - 2013-11-08 16:43:15 UTC
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
War is a necessary part of Eve - without wars and general pvp the market will become saturated and would threaten the financial infrastructure that is finely balanced.

But now I see some corps wardec 8 or 10 others at a time - they can afford to pay this as they will catch miners in T2 ore ships and the loot will pay for a prolonged campaign. However many of the wardecced corps will merely suffer the inconvenience of war, having to switch to alts, or temporarily leave their corp to continue playing their game normally.

That is when they are out-matched and unlikely to combat this wardec from a hostile corp.

I have heard of many people leaving Eve, rather than do any of the alternatives mentioned. After several wardecs they have grown tired of the losses, inconvenience, and the ease at which a hostile corp can wardec so many others with a relatively minimal initial outlay.

In truth, wardeccing should be expensive. It should be a final resort, not a casual affair done by pvp-corps to pass the time. There should be a limit to the number of corps they can 'dec at any time. I would put that at 3.

The price should escalate over weeks, doubling every week.

As we see in real life, war is not declared cheaply and is done rarely.

I am concerned that the wardeccers will drive away the others who wish to enjoy the rest of the elements Eve has to offer. While they serve a purpose they may harm the enjoyment of the majority of capsuleers.

I don't know or care about your empire wardecs, but a good sov war gets my blood flowing and gives cause for dozens if not hundreds or thousands of accounts to resubscribe.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#397 - 2013-11-08 16:44:01 UTC
#grrrrgoons

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#398 - 2013-11-08 16:45:49 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

I don't know or care about your empire wardecs, but a good sov war gets my blood flowing and gives cause for dozens if not hundreds or thousands of accounts to resubscribe.


Proof that the OP is horribly wrong -- I'm agreeing with a goon.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#399 - 2013-11-08 16:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Always have found the goons to be delightfully funny personally.. the whole "lets not take this too seriously while kicking ass" approach strikes true IMO. Anyways, working on fits atm, beer not helping, but eh, wtf? And yes, OP is wrong. Detractors are wrong as well. What the rookies really need is more guidance and information as to how things really are so they can be ready for the big bad world of EVE, not more handholding and coddling. It's a mean, ****-tastic universe out there, and anyone telling them otherwise is kind of a bastard thing for doing so. War is a good thing, it promotes growth and development both personally and as a community... and now I KNOW I'm truly drunk enough to be posting in GD, yay me.

Edit: Holy crap, I drank HOW much?!?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#400 - 2013-11-08 17:13:16 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
.. and now I KNOW I'm truly drunk enough to be posting in GD, yay me.


You might be bordering on "too drunk"Blink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia