EVE General Discussion

Well, there's only so many times i can face-palm. Certainly not going to make your argument for you, if you can't be bothered to explain even your most basic opinion on this subject. Usually you make very constructive, informed posts Tippa, but this is on par with someone covering their ears, closing their eyes and shouting "la la la, i can't hear you!". If you're right, you could demonstrate immediately by quoting your supposed "explanation" and prove me wrong, but you've failed to do so! I guess we'll never know why you think improving PvE content would be hugely counter-productive. Maybe you want me to make that argument for you as well? But, personally i can't think of any reasons why that would be the case, as it would only improve their gaming experience, and wouldn't effect anyone else in EvE that isn't interested in PvE.

But thanks for your opinion on the subject!

Lmao. Classic arguments! Like i said, easy to prove me wrong, I've already quoted everything you said, and still you can't backup your opinion. Why? Because it isn't there. So, see little point in continuing against someone who's just going "la la la, i'm right, your wrong, you didn't read it, i don't have to explain myself, la la la!".

I think i'll call it "doing a Tippa". For when you have an opinion you don't explain, and when someone asks for more details regarding that opinion, you can just say "Well, you obviously didn't read it", and when they quote what you'd written (and you're failure to explain aforementioned opinion) you can then just say "Well, i've already said it once, not going to say it again!!". Any further attempts at direct questions regarding your opinion can then just be washed away with variants of "Already said it!!"

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i always have a hard time understanding whyt people can't just say "I want" instead of what they actually do end up staying (ie, "they want"). The people running missions over and over obviously like it this way. i pretty much like it as is.

I think Xen Solarus should stop hiding behind other people and just say "I think PVe should be more fun because I like PVE" and be done with it.

People often assume i argue my points because i want them, like i must be a highsec player who only does missions to have these opinions. This couldn't be farther from the truth. I live in wormholes! Plus i've lived in every area in EvE and tried all its aspects. The difference is i don't have the whole "EvE should be exactly this way" opinion that many seem to think, as if the game has a particular way that has to be played, and that anyone not playing it that way must be doing it wrong. You might as well write "Waaaa the sandbox should be exactly like this!" EvE is an amazing game for exactly the reason it caters for all playstyles, from the hardened, superactive pirate right down to the super-busy single parent.

I know players that have busy lives, that enjoy logging into EvE for an hour or so, if they're lucky, and just want to do all the things the highsec hater crowd label as boring. I don't see any issues with improving that limited PvE experience, they pay their subs after all, just like the rest of us. I see that you obviously do have issues with this, and fail spectacularly at being able to explain why.

Given you plenty of chances to prove me wrong, but i see you're intent on "doing a Tippa". We can all throw out meaningless opinions, and like the saying goes "they're like bums, everyone has one!" The difference being that many can explain and back theirs up with details more constructive than "la la la i'm right, i said it, you didn't read it, la la la".

Still, thanks for the laughs, it's all very amusing!

Eve is not built around PVE like most other older MMOs. There is nothing wrong with PVE as many people in this thread make it sound like, but rather with EVE and its old, limited game mechanics. Interesting PVE is something we could have seen more of with WIS but it seems we wont.

Never said it should be changed, or that i don't like the content, so thanks for making stuff up! I said it was boring and repetitive, and should be improved. You're counter-agrument was that this would be hugely counter-productive, but again failed to explain why this is the case, or who it could be counter-productive to. Doesn't matter how many times you say you have explained that, because you haven't. Maybe if you say it enough times, we'll all spontaneously just know the answer?

And already answered your question, in regards to your opinion that there is already PvE content out there. Thats the only opinion you've been able to express with reasoning so far. I'll requote for ease, as i can easily backup my statements with immediate evidence!





Now, feel free to post, specifically, where you explained how improving PvE would be hugely counter-productive. I'm pretty sure you'll "do a Tippa" again at this challenge!

Incorrect.
You said that “PvE missions need some out-of-the-box thinking, they need to be more exciting. They need to have an interesting story behind them, something that can seem to matter […] i'd go as far as to say that PvE in EvE is boring” — that's a lots of normative and absolute statements right there. You never addressed the points I made in regards to this.

Incorrect.
I explained why this is the case and for whom, and you never addressed the points I made.

That wasn't the question, and you didn't actually address the point I made. You just went off on a tangent that once again presumed that your taste is universal and implied that anyone who thought otherwise was playing incorrectly.

If you read the posts and parts you refuse to acknowledge in your quotes, you'll notice that your question had already been answered before you even asked it. Hell, I answered it, and then others explained my stance to you, and you still ignored it.

This is only true for missions, and that's not the only kind of PvE content out there. The only thing that would be iffy is for it to “be significant” — this is not a universe where everyone is a hero in their own instanced or character-dependent environmental bubble. Even so, FW and incursions offer something along those lines without creating those kinds of forced disconnects in the world.

The problem you're facing is that, for the most part, it's only really about the ISK. Anything that gets in the way of that goal — including story and cut-scenes — will be frustrating and disliked, and will just make people stick with the standard and steady income streams. This, in turn, puts into question the value of creating that kind of content: it's a consumption product that costs a ton to produce and most likely only serves a very small number of people.

I believe that a fun PVE overhaul would even motivate some bored to death PVPers to try it for a change.

You should totally go back and read that post i never wrote, it totally explains the opinion i have never expressed, and proves how completely right i am.

If you want fun, try doing level 3 distribution missions to raise your standing.

Every MMO has some kind of grind to improve your character. In Eve, skills aren't a grind, they're just there. So, it's raising standings and making ISK doing PvE.

Somehow, the grind makes achieving things more satisfying.

(Slimy, yet satisfying!)