EVE General Discussion

I couldn't participate in yesterday's event, but after reading how did it turn out...

Seriously, I wouldn't start hating Empires for leading me into a trap lol. I'd rather get mad against CCP's idea of a live event, and general many-people events (I don't like massed fleets with nothing defined to do, such as the Deathrace). Running around, get ganked by people who just happened to live there, and losing lots of stuff pointlessly? I might have a different concept of the game than others, but wasting my hard-earned iskies that way is not equal to having fun playing a game to me.

I love CCP's work, but to be sincere, that wasn't a wise step. It just feels like a very poor attemp at pointing players on the new direction they're planning for the game. Why should I hate my own people (Minmatar) and those who I like for how they are (Gallente, SoE, etc.)? I'd rather try to help those who are not capsuleers, even when I'm not just running missions for them (and I don't go FW because of standings). Hell, I don't even hate pirate factions for what they do, theyr'e just a matter of business to me and wouldn't mind running some missions for them.

Also, I expected something much more interesting about a "great fleet against and unknown enemy " event. I expected a new feature involving the most misterious parts of the lore, such as Sleeper drones finally raiding New Eden with the aid of their uplifted Rogue Drones, or that 5th race that was announced at summer's YouTube devblog, or something else. But a raid on our old pirate assets? It smelled like a cheap way of getting rid of pirate factions now that we're (supposed to be) hating Empires and leaving them, as they didn't fit that well on the new lore.

I might ont be understanding something about this new direction (I hope it's the case), but why should I be forced into a full PVP play-style (something Rubicon is hinting)? Isn't this a sandbox? A game you can play as you want to? I am really going to get kicked into a no-sec area surrounded by killmail-hungry players? Why should I be forced into that?

I know this game is mostly PVP oriented. I know greater rewards are at lowsec, nullsec and WH-space. I do am, mostly, a highsec carebear. But I want to do more things. I want to try out Incursions. I want to live on WH-space rather on just raiding it. I'd liketo take my Thrasher and get into lowsec for free PVP. But if this is a sandbox, then I think everyone should be able to do what they want as it has always been. I'm not saying PVP should be nerfed in advantage of PVE or mining, that would be just stupid and would also force someone into doing something they don't like, but neither should be forcing everyone into PVP. I play this game as I like it; nullsec PVPeers do too, and we all should be able to continue to do what we like, even through heavy lore changes.

There, I said it *breaths*. What do you think about where is this going?

I thought, "sounds interesting, maybe i should give it a go"

Now I'm thankful i couldn't be bothered!

Sounds like a pretty shameful performance from CCP, and i look forward to hearing something from them regarding it.
(Or, with the current trend, not hearing anything at all.)

Nail. Head.

By all accounts it wasn't CCP that performed shamefully but v0v, what Baltec says is correct.

Also some ellipses... and my analysis as a senior game developer coder programmer real business person is that everyone will leave EVE immediately because I lost my terribly fit Raven

Before the event even had a chance of beggining,the tidi was horrible,thank God i didnt bother pushing forward else i would have wasted 2 hours getting there and for nothing.

What on earth makes you think I'm angry, Mr serious real business analysis person?

Let me rephrase myself - word 'cater' probably wasn't used well by me - the event ran by CCP was perceived very negatively by high-sec players, and it was just another slugfest for 0.0 guys. In total, it's negative outcome. How can you argue with that.

And no, I am not kidding that most of high-sec carebears had no clue that they are going to nullsec. Just read around. Many were surprised when they were told to jump even to low-sec. And look at the fits in killboards, average carebear would not bring PVE fit BS into 0.0.

Fair enough, "cater" was a poor choice of words. Now, on to the meat of the issue.

So, as to the perception. It wasn't really "just another fight" for the nullsec guys. Yeah, they used their same tactics(that being, the fleet combat tactics long since proven to work), but do you actually talk to any of those people? Know any of them personally?

This was fun for them. Term I heard most was "clusterf***", it was chaotic in a way that nullsec fights are very often not. They weren't ambivalent, this was genuinely an endearing event.

Now, as to the highsec crowd. Yeah, I've read around. Out of the 3-4 thousand estimated deaths yesterday, I see what? Between 40 and 60 complaints? Half of them from people about being left out or who didn't go and are arguing about "the principle, dammit!".

Compared to SomerGate or ToSGate, I barely feel a ripple of dissatisfaction.

Yeah, they were butchered. It was a disorganized CF.

But think about it in comparison to Caldari Prime, for example. That had a hard cap of 1600 people being permitted to get involved. I only managed to get in and do some ninja salvaging after a solid hour of sitting on that gate waiting to get in.

This even had 3 times that many people involved. Yeah, it blew up. Thus far, that's a trend among live events.

It could have been less of a CF if dev tools had been used to "bridge" people into the real staging area for the event. Idk how that got overlooked. Kinda seemed to me like it was thrown together on the fly. But they are trying.

Will some carebears complain? Probably. But, in fairness, you have to admit that you lot complain a lot anyway. By and large, you'll get over it. Very few people will quit on the eve (pun intended) of a new expansion. With a bunch of ship reworks, and new stuff to find, steal, make, and barter? I think they'll stay.

FYI - I am not high-sec player, have been in all high-sec, low-sec and 0.0, so I understand all points of view.

Why couldn't they make Caldari Prime event copy, just split into e.g. 6 locations (2 high-sec, 2 low-sec, 2 NPC 0.0)? Would be much better than this failure.

Anyway, there is already much written about what went wrong, i.e. good analytical read by one of smarter CSM reps (no you don't qualify Malcanis, don't worry).


EDIT: I really don't care about high-sec missioners if they lost a ship. I care about EVE being successful, and for that they need playerbase. This event alienated a portion of their playerbase INSTEAD of being great opportunity to advertise the game and create content. Look at Twitch broadcasts - at the peak EVE was top 10 with some 4-5k viewers; you don't see that every day. However it dropped oh so quickly once first wave of clueless carebears were wiped out.