Intergalactic Summit

Then it seems that I have missed nothing.

Thank you for your answers.

Perhaps, I'm curious as to his interpretation on the finer points of 'sacred flesh,' as it relates to capsuleers.

Incidentally, greetings Aiwha. I've been reading some interesting battle reports lately of your campaigns.

I 'turned away from the light' because it was forced upon me. I had no say in the matter; my own culture, my upbringing, and everything I believed in suddenly became 'incorrect' in the eyes of my so-called 'benefactors'. If I dared to question them, I was either starved or beaten.

You seem to be one of the more reasonable Amarrians on the IGS, so I'll put a hypothetical question to you:

If someone came to your world, took your people as slaves, and declared that everything about the Amarrian way of life was 'wrong' and they had 'The Truth', how would you react? If it came down to a choice between maintaining your own traditions and way of life, or seeing your entire culture destroyed by an invading race in an attempt to 'save your soul', which choice would you make?

I'm not making an appeal to sympathy, Kithrus, no am I asking if it 'can happen' or saying it 'did happen'. I'n asking 'If it happened, what would you do?'

I'm asking a simple, easy-to-answer question: If such a hypothetical situation were to occur, what would you do? Which choice would you make? Would an Amarrian citizen, strong in faith and devoted to their god, tamely accept an invader's claim that their beliefs are 'false', and allow the invader to destroy thousands of years of cultural development, or would you take up arms and protect your culture?

What would you do, Kithrus?

No matter what I say to you in regards to this topic you say nothing other then "You can't prove I'm wrong, so I must be right"

Yes in your mind.

You don't accept proofs given whether they are logical arguments or proofs of order and design. No amount of argument sways you so fine so be it I can't change you mind and you should know that the same for myself. The difference from you and myself is I don't show up in your threads demanding you believe in God and calling you insane for not.



Well like I said that didn't happen and it couldn't happen. How can I argue a hypothetical that is not anchored in reality?

Now what I could say is lets assume some group of high powered people captured me personally trying to force me to renounce my faith on pain of death. Telling me they had Maria, my sister and brother as hostages and my estates in their power threatening to burn it all.

To that I say I would keep the faith. No Amarrian could pray enough for a chance to die for it.

Well, you could accept that it's only a hypothetical question, and answer it.



Your dedication is commendable.

However, the answer you gave is not the one that my hypothetical situation requires. I will await such a response, but until that response arrives, I will close with a more direct version of the question I originally posed :

Would you sit back and allow someone to eradicate your culture, while they attempt to 'save your soul'?

Actually, if you make a two-state claim that I disagree with, and then are unable to deliver valid empricial or logical evidence, then yes, I must be right.

Because there have been no logical arguments that even remotely supports the existence of your invisible sky-wizard. In fact, many of your equally mentally inferior comrades have attempted to tell me that logic does not enter into the equation whatsoever when God is involved, and that attempting to logically argue against the existence of God is presuppostionally invalid. There exists - and many of your brethren have conceeded this - no empirical evidence as to the existence of God (they usually use the "certainty denies faith" argument as a contingency for this lack of evidence, which is itself invalid). Given that when any assertion is made, the burden of proof lies on the claimant, a lack of empirical and logical evidence defaults the argument in favour of the detractor.

But I do concede, in a roundabout way, that I believe God exists - as a very vivid fantasy in the minds of a large number of Amarrians. Nothing more, but I guess you could call it a victory if you wanted.



The difference, actually, is that we don't show up in your star systems, destroy your technology and culture, place billions of your people into slavery and force them not to believe in God.

Perhaps we should.



The sheer ignorant arrogance of this statement is utterly astounding.



Well, that's good. Who are we to argue with that? I vote we deliver you all to your God and divvy up your land between the remaining three Empires.

The Jovians (said with disgust) have withered away to nothing. We remain. If they ever do return, rest assured they would be crushed.

And before we get the standard 'they beat you at Vak A'tioth,' whining, we can make a very good case that we would have won the campaign had it been allowed to continue. The last thing they wanted was a long and drawn-out conflict where our sheer numbers would eventually overwhelm them. Thought they could destroy our ships ten or even a hundred for every one of theirs destroyed, every loss they suffered would be magnified as their small numbers diminished.....

If not for the extremely inconvenient timing of the rebellion, things would have turned out much differently....

"The sheer ignorant arrogance of this statement is utterly astounding." ???!

What? Have you not taken a single year in philosophy or logic? Are you kidding me? You do more harm to your self for calling me stupid then just pointing a finger at me and saying that.

Also its so... refreshing to see you denounce genocide yet you advocate it as a solution to your 'problem'.

You are ignorant, arrogant and stupid - you possess all three of these traits to an astounding degree and this is displayed by the utterly breathtaking display of irrationality that possessed you to suggest that a hypothesis that challenged the logically bankrupt presupposition of the existence of God was not "grounded in reality".

Suggesting that a hypothesis lacks grounding in reality because it does not support the presupposition of an assertion that is logically unsound and empirically unproven is the height of both arrogance and ignorance, and if I call you stupid when you make such a suggestion, it's because you look ****ing stupid.



Since the Amarrians are so fond of using insultingly condescending metaphors in a supercilious (yet also desperate) attempt to justify their extensive repertoire of patently unjustifiable historical actions - usually comparing cultures like the Minmatar to children (a comparison so laughably ironic I would credit the Amarr as the cluster's greatest comedians if I thought they understood the concept of humour), allow me ot use one of my own:

You have, sitting on your front lawn, a rabid dog. You are fairly certain if you attempt to leave your house, this dog will attempt to kill you. You have in your hand a syringe of an antigen that might cure the dog, and a gun. Certainly from an ethical perspective it is far preferable to attempt to cure the dog, but doing so carries great personal physical risk. It is far easier and safer to shoot the dog, and regret the ugly neccessity in the life, which is substantially longer now that you don't have to worry about the rabid dog on your lawn.

In case the metaphor sailed straight over your head (given the history of our past interactions this seems fairly likely), the dog is the Amarr Empire, the rabies is your culture (particularly your religion), the antigen is the option of attempting socio-cultural engineering to slowly remove the elements of Amarrian society that pose a threat to other civilizations (including but not limited to the concept of Amarrian racial superiority, the concept of the Reclaiming and Amarrian religion in general), and the gun is the option of causing so much damage to the Amarr Empire that it is no longer capable of posing a threat.

You see, I don't advocate genocide, but I consider it a vastly preferable alternative to Amarrian supremacy in the New Eden cluster.