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Azeroth Uluntil
Last Chance for Redemption
FFEW Associates
#81 - 2013-11-08 07:49:23 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed.

As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that...

Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content.

The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie.


I enjoy logic.

Who is Tippia btw ?

I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night?



No one responds to your question because you are an idiot. Your question is stupid and has been asked before. Therefor, no one wants to answer it again.

They can do with their money as they please. Pretty simple.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#82 - 2013-11-08 07:49:46 UTC
i came here expecting another somerblink thread i am leaveing dissapointed Cry
John Bosch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-11-08 07:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: John Bosch
As I said in the other thread, empire players would have been curbstomped in 20% tidi instead of 10%.

Even if DUST had never existed and all money been invested in better/more servers, maybe players would have seen a 10% drop in tidi. Better? Technically, yes. Worth the expense of new servers and the infrastructure to run them? No. There's just only so much a programmer can do within the limits of current tech and arguably antiquated code.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2013-11-08 07:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Praise the Yeti wrote:
I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night?

It would never have taken place since CCP would have folded in 2011 after Incursion and Incarna.
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-11-08 07:53:22 UTC
Azeroth Uluntil wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Not really no, since I answered your OP: your premise is fundamentally flawed.

As is everything YOU didn't come up with, Tippa, we all know that...

Still, the OP has a point. CCP diverted their attention (and thus their money) on other projects, while their prime source of income still lies "unfinished"... yes, I know a MMO is never truely finished. Further, that lack of focus hindered EVE's development and resulted in questionable and lacking content.

The logical conlusion is: EVE would, most likely be a better game today, if it wouldn't be for DUST, WoD (which I'm really looking forward too) and, now Valkyrie.


I enjoy logic.

Who is Tippia btw ?

I still ask the question, if ccp had not diverted the profitts from their core game player base towards other ventures how might that live event have gone last night?



No one responds to your question because you are an idiot. Your question is stupid and has been asked before. Therefor, no one wants to answer it again.

They can do with their money as they please. Pretty simple.

Sorry, but please enlighten me why your opinion is significant ?

Unless you can augment or support your point, or give me any reason to think why i might take notice then by default i dismiss it as moot.

Next?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2013-11-08 07:54:20 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Unless you can augment or support your point
…and people are pointing out that you can't.
To Be Me
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-11-08 07:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: To Be Me
Praise the Yeti wrote:
ISD petioned for having personal vendettas for abusing powers and closing my last thread.


Petitioned him too.

Closing threads for no reason whatsoever or using some bad reason which isnt even right.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode petitioned.

thumbs up if you like :))))

Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-11-08 07:59:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Unless you can augment or support your point
…and people are pointing out that you can't.

what was my point?

last i checked it was eve players are giving ccp cash while they develop other games

all i have done in this thread is suggest some people are unawware of the wider state of affiars?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2013-11-08 08:05:00 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
what was my point?
That the outcome of yesterday's event has anything to do with their diversifying into other game.

Hiding it behind the invisibly thin veil of a loaded question does not disqualify it from being your point, and you have offered nothing to support this premise.
John Bosch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-11-08 08:12:06 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Unless you can augment or support your point
…and people are pointing out that you can't.

what was my point?

last i checked it was eve players are giving ccp cash while they develop other games

all i have done in this thread is suggest some people are unawware of the wider state of affiars?


That's what companies do. They grow, expand, get more financial capital, and develop new games. Natural order of things.

I'm pretty sure everyone here was already aware of the "wider state of things" well before you came along.
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-11-08 08:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Praise the Yeti
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
what was my point?
That the outcome of yesterday's event has anything to do with their diversifying into other game.

Hiding it behind the invisibly thin veil of a loaded question does not disqualify it from being your point, and you have offered nothing to support this premise.

Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on the assumption of wider possibilities under variable circumstances.

Based on the fact i made no direct accusations i have no onus to provide any substantative evidence other than letting the common mind decide.

It is you who erects the smokescreen.

Care to prove otherwise?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2013-11-08 08:22:19 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on
…a ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer — but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that.

Quote:
Care to prove otherwise?
I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty.
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-11-08 08:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Praise the Yeti
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on
…a ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer — but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that.

Quote:
Care to prove otherwise?
I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty.

I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. The principle one being that a percentage of eve player sub income generated is being allocated to other projects not involving eve. It is an open ended arguement to suggest how things might have been had that income not been diverted to other projects but eve. Are you suggesting in any way i am wrong?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2013-11-08 08:32:51 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement.
Try reading.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#95 - 2013-11-08 08:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Zions Child wrote:
Quiet, baddie.

Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.

It's called business.

Shaddup.


Although I agree to an extent most corporations don't spend it as recklessly as CCP do. Even massive games companies wouldn't rely on the income of one game to fund four or more other projects that aren't bringing in an income, that's just business scale stupidity.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-11-08 08:37:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement.
Try reading.

Which he hasn't done in 5 pages and isn't going to.
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-11-08 08:38:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement.
Try reading.

In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply, The questions i pose in OP and in the other thread i linked are valid and in my opinion un-countered with any significant retort. Sleep beckons tho so have fun
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#98 - 2013-11-08 08:50:58 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply
So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#99 - 2013-11-08 08:55:34 UTC
Praise the Yeti wrote:
Hai.

Eve is a game we all love.

That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.

As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.

I ask the communtity for their opinions.

How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.

Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.

Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.

CCP’s responsibility to you ends each month when your subscription expires, you renew a subscription and get another 30 days of CCP’s services, how they invest their money and into what products is not relevant, you are not a stockholder you’re a customer. And as a customer purchasing a fictional reality your expectations of continuity is probably also a fictional reality.

Imagine you are buying a hotdog form a vendor and he excitedly tells you he will be moving into Hamburgers next week, you hate hamburger so you stamp your feet wave your arms in the air and make a scene, but the vendor gets to take the profits he made from your love of Hotdogs and do whatever he wants, Soyburger, tofuuburger, green slime shakes, or whatever he deems is good for his future.

The simple truth is if you want to have some deciding influence in what CCP does, you need to buy a few million worth of stock, get on the Board of directors and set company policy and direction. I am sure CCP is thankful for your patronage, but would prefer you leave RL Corp decisions to RL Corp executives.

Diversifying into the possible next gen of game development is the only sure way to maintain a market share and the continuation of CCP, perhaps not EVE but certainly CCP.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-11-08 09:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Praise the Yeti
Tippia wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply
So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice.
Given your inability to address or answer the main point of the OP, and the fact you pick and choose what words to reply to, I would ask you endeavour to sell yourself as to why I might consider submitting myself to the wiles of your sagely advice, else with much sadness, I must discount that which stems from a flower I yet to consider in blossom Sad