Intergalactic Summit

Killing two birds with one stone, more like it?

It was seasoned low-sec and null-sec combat capsuleers versus (mostly) hi-sec capsuleers who have never seen combat before. What did you guys honestly expect?

they asked for our help, but i don't recall seeing any empire navy ships around let alone CONCORD ships; people i have liesten to seem to have the idea that it was a set-up but for what prupose is not clear.

Concord doesn't care about you.
Concord doesn't care about your faction.

The sooner you internalise this, the better for you.

Thank you! It's honestly getting tiresome to see everything turn into some massive conspiracy of cluster-shattering proportions. Honestly, if the powers that be were competent enough to actually pull off all these great schemes, they'd be completely welcome to rule all they see as far as I'm concerned. It be better than the alternative.

You know. The fluffies.
They're out there.

This was incompetence to the point where it effectively acted as malice.

First point: Back when I lived in Curse, the Sendaya gate in Doril was well-known as a camping "hot spot". To think that there'd be sweet nothing on the opposite side of it is utterly irresponsible. Can I please have an extended conversation with the scouts and commanders of that fleet?

Second point: If we truly had the Empires' backing on this, why did they basically commit zero assets to the table? This isn't an agent mission in a 0.5, where credible capsuleer threats are few and far between. This was an expeditionary strike into the heart of pirate-owned 0.0 space, much of which has significant subpopulations from the sovereignty-holding powers in surrounding regions, as well as 'exiled' former sovholders and nomadic and resident populations of capsuleers, both unaligned and from non-sovholding alliances. To think that an organization such as Rote Kapelle that prides themselves at their prowess in capsuleer-on-capsuleer combat wouldn't be going into a fight of this magnitude guns blazing and contact lists cleared is...nonsensical, at best.

Third point: There were likely no sanity checks on fleet composition, and no effort was apparently made to allow straggling pilots to regroup, which under the reported time-dilated conditions, 'smeared' the fleet out over space. Furthermore, the commanders apparently had no appreciation of the strategic impacts of such time dilation.

Fourth point: CONCORD really doesn't give a damn.

Shouting how high in response to CONCORDS command to jump isn't very capsuler like.

It would if we weren't still bound by their laws.

Which laws bounding capsuleers would you want to see then ?

There's a problem with that argument, though. None of the capsuleers were actually led to their deaths; they're all still around. What possible reason would CONCORD have to deliberately aggravate a group of well-armed, essentially independent contractors that it knows it would simply be temporarily inconveniencing?

No, this all smacks of simple incompetence. CONCORD FCs, for all their technology and their experience in keeping empire space livable, simply do not know how to deal with a gate camp. Those who had never before left empire space who went with them, because of CONCORD, never deal with gate camps.

I wouldn't consider it a stretch of credibility to simply say that CONCORD and high-security residents are generally unfamiliar with nullsec tactics. Otherwise, they simply would have cleared a few imperial titans to jump the entire fleet, group by group, to the target destination.

Simple lack of logistical intelligence is all. If you want to give CONCORD credit for being conniving at all, ask what they would possibly have to gain from such a colossal blow to their reputation, especially to a group of immortal ship pilots. There is absolutely no good reason they would have intentionally done this that isn't drastically overshadowed by a glaring reason why they wouldn't.

So it's fairly simple to surmise that they thought a few thousand capsuleers were a few thousand capsuleers, residency and experience be damned. CONCORD never were noted for being particularly bright.