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Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2013-11-08 01:35:19 UTC
I want these questions answered. If I can speak for my fellow capsuleers, they are also as outraged and confused as I am, even the ones that participate! My agents have been trying to learn what happened today. CONCORD and the empires made a huge blunder, or so it seems. I wished to participate, but business prohibited my actions to elsewhere.

If you can, please answer these questions:

1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle?

2. Why did we attack?

3. Who were we attacking?

4. Was the battle a success?

5. If not, why did we even bother?

6. What were the course of the events?

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#2 - 2013-11-08 01:40:37 UTC
First!

I dont know the answers to any of those very good questions.

I just wanted to yell FIRST!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-11-08 02:17:08 UTC
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#4 - 2013-11-08 02:27:57 UTC
You're not going to get answers and you should feel silly for asking. If you were dumb enough to jump into nullsec without the gate being scouted, you deserve whatever fate you got.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2013-11-08 02:30:01 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.


Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-08 03:03:23 UTC
1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle?
To defeat enemies of the State

2. Why did we attack?
Because Caldari Navy required our help.

3. Who were we attacking?
Enemies of the State

4. Was the battle a success?
I have no idea, I was stuck in traffic congestion

5. If not, why did we even bother?
Because we were ordered to go there.

6. What were the course of the events?
Sitting on gates, travelling through heavily congested high security space, sliding through gatecamps, listening to incompetent FCs, facepalming on FC, when they jump fleet through while battleships were still in transit, killing each other in low and null sec, and eventually recieving information that everything is over.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2013-11-08 03:12:05 UTC

Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
2. Why did we attack?

That I cannot tell you
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
3. Who were we attacking?

Other's freedom
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
4. Was the battle a success?

Yes, we managed to defend our assets and freedom
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
5. If not, why did we even bother?

You should not bother - the empires/CONCORD never does anything for you, why would you do anything for them?
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
6. What were the course of the events?

You came, you got destoyed, you hopefully learned to stay out of other people's business.

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-11-08 03:29:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
1. What was the purpose of what seems to be a pointless battle?
To defeat enemies of the State

2. Why did we attack?
Because Caldari Navy required our help.

3. Who were we attacking?
Enemies of the State

4. Was the battle a success?
I have no idea, I was stuck in traffic congestion

5. If not, why did we even bother?
Because we were ordered to go there.

6. What were the course of the events?
Sitting on gates, travelling through heavily congested high security space, sliding through gatecamps, listening to incompetent FCs, facepalming on FC, when they jump fleet through while battleships were still in transit, killing each other in low and null sec, and eventually recieving information that everything is over.



Is every navy drone just conditioned to stop thinking or is it just a by-product of the constant stream of propaganda they feed you.



  1. The mission was clearly not to defeat any "enemies of the state" unless those enemies were us capsulers still loyal to the 4 empires.
  2. If the Caldari Navy required the help of a fleet of ADD cats then things are in worse shape than I have been lead to believe.
  3. "Enemies of the state" ...do you even know what that means anymore? Do you even care?
  4. The pirates certainly accomplished everything they needed too.
  5. You were ordered to die like the good little drone you are for the glory of the state.
  6. Good to know you still have some humor left in you - pity you waste it on a sarcastic ARR.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2013-11-08 03:49:27 UTC
Hulemand wrote:

You came, you got destoyed, you hopefully learned to stay out of other people's business.


People are slow to learn that lesson, I've noticed recently.
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-11-08 04:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.


Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.

That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-11-08 05:25:22 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.


Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.

That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with.


Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing.

No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win.

I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-11-08 05:42:32 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.


Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.

That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with.


Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing.

No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win.

I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing.

Point conceded. I suppose I was trying to give something, somewhere, the benefit of the doubt. And I definitely agree with the asessment of the 'contractual war' being a never ending cycle with no means of victory for those involved.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-11-08 05:55:19 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
A complete debacle, obviously not backed by the entities that called for it? And left to its own devices from the get go, clearly with no interest in weather the action succeeded or not?

I would put two possibilities to that...

Either it was organized to be observed, or it was organized as a large scale distraction. Which still begs the question of why and what.


Or it was simply not organized. I thought that was the most vexing problem.

That was so plainly evident and remarked upon already that I felt no need to say it again. But yes, beyond any doubt. To clarify, I was not referring to the obvious lack of in situ command structure, but rather the action being put together to start with.


Actually, I think I might mean that in precisely that manner. The action was put together to start with because CONCORD actually thought that would work, and simply didn't know what they were doing.

No one ever said CONCORD and the empires were good at tactical planning. I mean, there is a contractual war going on where resources will go into the combat, but it's been assured that no one can ever win.

I'm simply saying, plain old naivete and logistical incompetence are also a very viable reason why this was organized. Someone might simply have not known what they were doing.

Point conceded. I suppose I was trying to give something, somewhere, the benefit of the doubt. And I definitely agree with the asessment of the 'contractual war' being a never ending cycle with no means of victory for those involved.


While I'm certainly not saying that something more sinister might be in the works, as you could very well be right, I'm not sure if I'd be happier with that. CONCORD is all that really protects our people from unchecked depredations of pirates, and to hear capsuleers sympathetically, if not condescendingly, patting it on the head and asking if they need help with nullsec operations. And, all told... CONCORD would do well to agree and take the help of those capsuleers who really do know what they're doing.

One would think CONCORD would know how to handle an assault on pirates and could lead it effectively. Now, one wonders whether it's really CONCORD that keeps the peace in space or if it's simply because there are so many capsuleers snapping up bounties on pirates in CONCORD space that they have just as much trouble getting a foothold in high security space.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-11-08 05:55:57 UTC
Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that.

Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-11-08 06:06:10 UTC
All I can say to that, Big Brother, it's that they'd better sharpen up fast. Constantine has a point, they've got too much riding on them to drop the ball this badly.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-11-08 06:28:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that.

Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery.

I didn't go into that fight because CONCORD asked me to.
I went into that fight because the CEP asked me to.
Kigurosaka, suuolo.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-11-08 06:41:46 UTC
I gave my crews the day off, suuolo. I couldn't send another couple of hundred on a suicide mission and sleep tonight.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-11-08 06:44:44 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
All I can say to that, Big Brother, it's that they'd better sharpen up fast. Constantine has a point, they've got too much riding on them to drop the ball this badly.


I stopped putting my faith in Concord a long time ago. Look to your walls, Little Sister, aye and look to your kin who will stand on them with you.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-08 08:04:35 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Only a fool telegraphs their first strike like that.

Only the mother of all fools would follow Concord into battle. An organisation that relies so heavily on a huge technological advantage and all their software trickery.

I didn't go into that fight because CONCORD asked me to.
I went into that fight because the CEP asked me to.
Kigurosaka, suuolo.

I went into that fight not because CONCORD or CEP asked me to, but because Caldari Navy asked us.
And I didn't get into that fight, because [censored] [censored] [censored] CONCORD couldn't regulate traffic in high security systems between Sarum Prime and Ihal.

And who the [censored] let civilians do the job?!
We need proper military organization and military priority for passing systems and stargates. Bah! Civilian amateurs everywhere!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-11-08 09:36:35 UTC
Had the combined Amarrian/Caldari fleet been led by an Amarrian officer, things might have been different.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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