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Dev Blog: Fleet, you fools! - UI Changes In Rubicon

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CCP Veritas
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-11-07 17:26:07 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
when are you fixing the wing commander bug?
Specifics, please. Smile


Often the wing commander doesn't receive Wing & Fleet bonuses (example: armor warfare link boosts)

It'd be a bug if they *did* get both bonuses. That said, the current design of that is rather unintuitive and I'm sure it'd be high on one's list of things to change if redoing how fleet bonuses work.

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Joanna RB
JoJo Industries n Shipbreakers
#42 - 2013-11-07 17:31:27 UTC
Dragging fleet members onto the watchlist rather than having to tediously right click > pilot > fleet > add to watchlist every single one.... Love this!
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-11-07 17:33:56 UTC
CCP karkur is pretty much the best thing ever :)
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#44 - 2013-11-07 17:53:07 UTC
Hero reporting in.

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Mister Vee
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-11-07 17:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Vee
CCP Veritas wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
when are you fixing the wing commander bug?
Specifics, please. Smile


Often the wing commander doesn't receive Wing & Fleet bonuses (example: armor warfare link boosts)

It'd be a bug if they *did* get both bonuses. That said, the current design of that is rather unintuitive and I'm sure it'd be high on one's list of things to change if redoing how fleet bonuses work.


That's really not true. Fleet, wing and squad commanders all get their own bonuses. Squad commander gets wing and fleet, why wouldn't wing get fleet bonus? Either way, those changes have nothing to do with UI so it isn't Karkur's issue to fix.

As far as the UI changes go, this is all super awesome, so thanks! :)
UsedTampon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-11-07 17:57:06 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
when are you fixing the wing commander bug?
Specifics, please. Smile


Often the wing commander doesn't receive Wing & Fleet bonuses (example: armor warfare link boosts)

It'd be a bug if they *did* get both bonuses. That said, the current design of that is rather unintuitive and I'm sure it'd be high on one's list of things to change if redoing how fleet bonuses work.


Not sure if serious.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#47 - 2013-11-07 17:57:17 UTC
Please also store the fleet advert in the fleet setup!

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#48 - 2013-11-07 18:02:22 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
I hope you like these changes! :D


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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#49 - 2013-11-07 18:12:08 UTC
Really great stuff, will make running fleets that much more painless. But it wouldn't be the Eve community if we didn't try to take more B)

Since we're going on dream-fixes to the fleet window is it possible to create some sort of interface so the fleet boss/FC can see when (and where) a squad/wing loses bonuses? Right now there's a little green check or a little red x with a hoverable tooltip that lets squad members know if bonuses are being applied properly. However, wing commands and fleet commanders have no indication if people under them in the hierarchy lose bonuses, which seems a bit backwards.

Also that little green check/red x sometimes lies.

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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#50 - 2013-11-07 18:16:54 UTC
UsedTampon wrote:
CCP Veritas wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
when are you fixing the wing commander bug?
Specifics, please. Smile


Often the wing commander doesn't receive Wing & Fleet bonuses (example: armor warfare link boosts)

It'd be a bug if they *did* get both bonuses. That said, the current design of that is rather unintuitive and I'm sure it'd be high on one's list of things to change if redoing how fleet bonuses work.


Not sure if serious.


I think what he's saying is this:

The way the fleet structure works right now

FC gets his own bonuses
WC gets his own bonuses, but not bonuses from FC
SC gets his own bonuses, bonuses from WC, and bonuses from FC
SM gets bonuses from SC, WC, FC

So if there ever exists a time when the WC gets bonuses from FC ("often the wing command doesn't receive Wing & Fleet bonuses"), that would be a bug because the structure currently doesn't allow it. However, the current fleet design is unintuitive so it should be fixed.

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Atomic Option
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#51 - 2013-11-07 18:25:28 UTC
100% awesome!
MatthewMN
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#52 - 2013-11-07 19:14:06 UTC
CCP karkur, these "little things" are pretty damn significant, thank you!
Hong Hu
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#53 - 2013-11-07 19:45:16 UTC
Good stuff.

Re: the implants, how about making it impossible to pull implants when in combat? Some tasty pod is all wrapped up after getting evicted from its overpriced, poorly employed, über pimped T3 candy cruiser, and ready to be cracked, and the guy-inside is frantically pulling implants to make the killmail just a little less expensive. It's a cheap move... maybe fix that?

Thank you,

Hong Hu
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-11-07 19:47:35 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello Capsuleers!

CCP karkur is here today to tell you all about some cool changes to the fleet interface coming with EVE Online: Rubicon.

Check out her new Dev Blog for full details on what's in the pipeline to make herding angry, bloodthirsty capsuleers a whole lot easier from November 19.


The implant/ not having to pause training manually thing BY ITSELF is worth every month of my sub money.

Stop talking and take more of my money damn it.
Marbo Lechter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-11-07 19:48:48 UTC
Very nice BUT I'd still like capacitor readouts on watchlist!
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-11-07 20:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
I love this! Lol

Also what Marbo Lechter said. Smile
And while you'd be at it, please change the readouts from left to right...

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Blod Bladelicker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-11-07 20:47:36 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
cool i like gifs... they are superior to graphs.


Imagine if we combined them! A gif showing the line of a graph growing!
Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-11-07 21:00:27 UTC
These are great. I really like the fleet fixes.

However..., why haven't we seen anything tho help the click feast in the industry UI? Every time you make changes like this, they are great but there are a ton of "little things" that can be done (seriously some look as easy as a case statement) that never make it? Why have all these "little things" threads when you get to maybe, two or three changes every three months? Is this a side project to do when you are bored because the UI isn't a priority? Or is there a "big announcement" coming to make all those ideas something that will get some love?

Sorry for bing a **** here but industry people have been asking for something / anything to the UI for how many years now? I get everyone uses fleets but eve wouldn't be anything if Indys didn't build ships and mods. How about you throw us a bone for once?

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Udonor
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-11-07 21:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Udonor
Hey who left this CCP employee unsupervised? He actually did something that looks really useful where its used !!!

(Sorry guys but so far many of the other Rubicon changes aren't nearly as impressive - though admittedly they effect more everyday users rather than just FCs and such)

(PS OK the ship diagram thingie is pretty and might help noobs who get totally lost in ship progression but is not really a functional UI feature yet. Maybe if it showed currently missing skills on path up to a selected ship and offered the option of purchasing skil from market....until then its just artwork. Pretty but useless to the experienced.)
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#60 - 2013-11-07 22:24:24 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
awesome stuff!! Big smileLolCoolShockedCoolLolBig smile

And welcome back CCP Punkturis!!

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