EVE General Discussion

CCP suffered a major problem of too much on their plate. They decided to run 1 game, and create 2 new games with the staff that could only do 2 of those items. Eve suffered from this because they took it for granted and didn't worry about that game as it was allready successful. When they started treating Eve like a cash cow instead of a product that mattered bad things happened. This is the old news.

Now CCP has realized the mistake and are trying to correct it. They are refocusing on Eve and have tried to get to player base happy. In doing this they have stated they are shelving WiS because they think people didn't like it. (They are still tring to milk the cow because the refuse to deal with the problem that is the Nex and its inflated prices.) And what this thread is stating that alot of people see WiS as an important part of what Eve is and could be. Others have stated that WiS isn't Eve and want no part of it.

While I think the question comes close I don't think that is the question that should be asked. The question is "What is EVE?"

• Is Eve a full Sci Fi simulation that is still growing trying to reach out and be more.
- If that is true then WiS is a very import part of that and must be kept alive and developed further.

• Or is Eve a space ship game.
- If that is true then WiS is a waste of time and energy and has no point.

So what is Eve to you?

Both.

It is a Sci-Fi simulation. To treat it as a spaceship only game is incredibly narrow minded.

1000x this.

Just for not repeating myself, the main problem of WiS is its actual form and absence of immersion (Forum Link).

It cames out to early ... and that's a shame.

One point mentioned numerous times is if Eve is going to continue and expand, then WiS must be a part of that future. Whereas I do not have an issue with the potential of such an expansion, once that potential becomes reality, will new players want to become involved with an aged property like Eve? Or will these potential players be looking at something newer where they can be part of the initial groundwork to create their own world?

What is the heart of Eve but player versus player in some fashion? And how do players (attempt to) out-do each other but with the help of skills. And these skills are "gained" with a simple currency - time.

Now these new players will see an aged game run by players with years of skills. While the concept of maximum level of five in any skill is the same for any player that trained it, my past experiences in the old Skill Discussion sub-forums was new players related the higher the total skill point accumulation equaled the more powerful a character. If WiS has any form of skill trees involved with it, then new players might still feel behind and inadequate.

So what should CCP do to "boost" new players closer to our overall averages? If CCP jump starts new players with a decent sized chunk of skills, then those players that started just beforehand will feel they were cheated. If CCP sells skill points with ISK, then the player base as a whole with deeper pockets will just rocket ahead of newer players and widen the gap further. If CCP uses the Nex store, then that whole pox erupts once more and could potentially be fatal to the game as a whole.

But if WiS is the futuristic savior of Eve, then what will it bring to fluently interact with the core of the game? What will it add that cannot be done currently in the game? If WiS ~forces~ the players into a form of game play similar to its initial release, and then I see a repeat of this past summer to a point. If WiS is just an add-on to an aged game, then again, will that draw in the masses as some people in this thread envision?

Again, I do not have anything against the potential of WiS. But CCP will have to determine what hook to draw in new players while offering something to the long term players that still want their FiS and have the whole interact and interlace seamlessly with the core and heart of the game. And to present it that while Eve itself (herself?) is x years old, she is alive, kicking, and better than ever for all involved in this gaming world.

Thanks for reading.

IMO its not just about WiS but about having grunts fighting on the ground of planets with their guns and tanks while being shot from above by people in their spaceships... its about collecting a bounty on an unsuspecting character while he is shopping for a new afterburner... its about doing courier and combat missions inside the station and/or on planets whitout the need to get into a spaceship... its about doing black market trading in a dark alley while concord isnt watching..

I understand why some people want WiS, I fully get why CCP wants to move that direction, and I also get why others disagree.
Personally, I don't care about WiS. Just not why I got into Eve, but still, it's a good concept. CCP wants to merge what are essentially two games into one world, and in theory it should be really immersive. I just question whether it'll really work with current limitations. I am not a tech guy, but perhaps CCP's ambition is a bit greater than their means yet.

My problem with WiS is that it's kind of all or nothing. You can't really have meaningful WiS until there is combat there. To make it a full body model version hitting the Market button isn't compelling enough of a reason to have it. You have to be able to DO SOMETHING in station, which is a game unto itself. Tacking on quarters or market stalls isn't worth the resources being diverted from FiS. Either the WiS is a full game dynamic (ie combat of some form) or it's just window dressing eating up RAM.

Of course the more they give you to do in station, the less development in space gaming. If you think there is a rift now between care bears and low/null sec PvP's...wait until there is an entire population of players only interested in the station portion of Eve!!!
Having a fully developed WiS game will force a rebuild to characters to account for physical attributes (perhaps weapon skills etc) and associated 'stuff' such as weapons, armor, etc.

People now complain about the forced nature of PvP in Eve, but what about when you are forced to walk a toon down hallways and do melee or shooter type of combat because WiS is integrated into a FiS game. Will those same defenders of 'nowhere is safe from PvP' now be quick to defend it in station in a mode of gameplay they don't play the game for?

If CCP was really that bent on merging the two game types- I would have rather they developed the WiS game on it's own then cross-pollinated them. As it is CCP is trying to develop a 'game within a game' piece by piece, avoiding the obvious end-point, combat in station. So there is very little point in any of it until they cross that bridge.

I would like to see PVP in Incarna.

Personally rather than just run and gun type pvp, I would like to see something different. Like poison slipped into your drink, or a stranger brushing up against you and injecting you with an almost invisible nano needle.

Incarna should not be risk free.

I'm all for anything that would encourage more interaction. And WiS would certainly do that even just to watch those stiff Amarr shake their grove thing and dance on a table. (I know they say no dancing but come on, can you imagine a future with no dancing? How boring.)

Our ships are so impersonal it doesn't even feel like human interactions.