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Ultimare Abaddon Fit
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Poppy Solarchaser
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-05 15:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Poppy Solarchaser
Hello All,

I am putting together a Abaddon fit with best dps and tank with the following credentials,

8 MP


3 Cap Chargers
1 TC

1 A type LAR
2 Rat Spec Hardeners
3 Imp HS
1 Energized Adaptive

Rigs

Trimark Anc and Pump
1 CCC

If you have any better fits let me know, of course it will be using scorch and IMF, with w/e drone support one has.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-05 16:05:38 UTC
not an abaddon expert, but you'd probably get a much better tank running 2 hardeners + a reactive armor hardener. Others will likely criticize your 3 cap rechargers and your rigs.

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#3 - 2013-11-05 19:58:09 UTC
Before it's even timely to criticize the fit... what are you going to do with that ship?

How tight is your ISK? How are your relevant skills?
Poppy Solarchaser
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-05 20:27:38 UTC
Sorry forgot to mention it is for level 4 missions, and price is irrelevant, just want the highest dps and highest tank that one could fit on a abaddon with max skills.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2013-11-05 21:23:12 UTC
Three minutes of cap without the cap booster.
818 DPS out to 64km + 19km with scorch
1026 DPS out to 21km + 19km with INMF
514 tank versus 50/50 EM/Therm. A Reactive Hardener + EANM should gets you ~800 tank at max resists.

On a side note, with Rubicon have you considered a Paladin? In bastion mode, 95km optimal with scorch and a 400+ tank with a MAR II (while being effectively cap stable as well.)

[Abaddon, Pulse]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x10

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Poppy Solarchaser
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-05 23:47:52 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Three minutes of cap without the cap booster.
818 DPS out to 64km + 19km with scorch
1026 DPS out to 21km + 19km with INMF
514 tank versus 50/50 EM/Therm. A Reactive Hardener + EANM should gets you ~800 tank at max resists.

On a side note, with Rubicon have you considered a Paladin? In bastion mode, 95km optimal with scorch and a 400+ tank with a MAR II (while being effectively cap stable as well.)

[Abaddon, Pulse]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x10

That's a beautiful fit
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#7 - 2013-11-06 01:19:24 UTC
I've used an Abaddon for L4 missions but from my experience I find that the Apocalypse is generally better, even with good skills.

The Abaddons cap is really weak and if you use a cap booster but you're not stable (or at least close to stable, 3 minutes of cap is not enough) with guns + hardeners you'll end up burning through your cap boosters just to fire your guns, and once the NPCs start applying their dps on you things will get ugly especially on harder missions. The dps and tank may be better than the Apoc on paper, but I find that in the end, the Apocalypse is better for missions, the solid cap with the optimal range and tracking bonus means you apply your dps much better, and your tank is better simply because you have the cap to run it more.

The Abaddon will do better in certain missions (close range missions mostly) but most missions are long range and being capped at 65km range is really annoying sometimes. I would definitely recommend the Apoc over the Baddon.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-11-07 09:40:24 UTC
between stoicfaux and dato koppla, the only thing to add is that the nightmare and paladin will perform even better than the apoc whereas the navy apoc does not provide any substantial improvement in lvl4s.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sessym
Ministry of War
#9 - 2013-11-07 12:08:32 UTC
The Abaddon is a very noob-friendly ship TBH. Let's just assume that's what the OP is after.
I've ran it myself when I had less white hair...
You either go megapulse AND fit an afterburner or go megabeam. you can start off with four hardeners and slowly shed the tank in favor of damage modules when you get confident enough.

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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
#10 - 2013-11-07 12:15:41 UTC
Armageddon Naval Issue - with 5 Sentries dropped will monster any Level 4.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Storm Dragon
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-11-07 22:00:52 UTC
Have you ever tried duel medium armor repairs rather than one large?
Would be much easier to get cap stability. Perma run one medium and cycle the second if needed. If you go this route try to maximize your resists (2 racial hardners).
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-11-07 22:31:34 UTC
Why do so many think cap stable is a must? Usually it's newer pilots but sometimes you'll get one that's not. Often cap stable means replacing DPS or tracking mods and that means needing more cap to tank because you're killing things slower. The only reason you would want cap stable is if you plan on going AFK or have an unstable internet connection. My Apocalypse has just under four minutes of cap and I've never had an issue in missions.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-11-07 22:59:41 UTC
Storm Dragon wrote:
Have you ever tried duel medium armor repairs rather than one large?
Would be much easier to get cap stability. Perma run one medium and cycle the second if needed. If you go this route try to maximize your resists (2 racial hardners).

How is this different from pulsing one large repper and using the other slot for another resist mod?
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-11-08 02:12:42 UTC
Two med reps are a lot easier to manage as far as cap. Firstly with the faster cycle times you can pulse them much more efficiently and save a great deal of cap that way. Additionally if the damage is minimal you can just leave the second off all together and get a net cap gain over the period of time where as a single large is all or nothing.

And if two meds isn't sufficient for an initial room spawn or other situation you might consider swapping one of the meds for a aar for the extra burst tank until it can otherwise stabilize. This is particularly helpful if using adaptive hardeners.