Ships & Modules

1. Use Meta 4 ECCMs, better and cheaper
2. Random is random.
3. You had a sensor strength of roughly 72, a blackbird has about 5 jammers, probably one of them matching your race. A All V blackbird has a jam strength of 10 racial and about 3 non racial. So his chance to jam you is 14% racial and 4% non racial. as these are non independant the jamming chance per cycle is about 30% (Correct me if I am off).
4. Your ship had about 75K EHP, the three faction cruiser deal lets say 500 DPS per ship, so you take 1500 DPS. So you have about 50 seconds before you explode or two jamming cycles. (I assume that that the blackbird was not on the field the moment the fight began)
5. Your chance to be jammed by both cycles in a row is about 9% so roughly 1 in 10 cases.
6. To sum it up: ECM sucks and you had bad luck
7. LOL Goon tears ;)

75k EHP? on that fit? bit over zealous with that figure.

Yes ECM is a complete joke and any competant and risk taking PVPer would gladly see the back of this game ruining mechanic, HOWEVER i struggle to believe you were perma jammed by a blackbird with 3 eccm mods fifted, even though arrays terrible.... do you have the compensation skill trained?

I hate DUMBs like you , they ruin good games, it is only about dumbed down one dimensional warfare. It is not only my opinion.

Eccm is useless cause ecm is overnerfed thats all.
If ecm was more used then eccm would be used too, like resist modules.

Yes there is a problem , dumb people want tank dps ship cause they are too stupid to handle anything more.
And they constantly whine about ecm , what they dont understand at all how it works.

ECM has always puzzled me.

Would be nice, if ECM had a chance to reduce the amount of lockable targets to a minimum of 0.

Meaning that it might only reduce the amount of lockable targets to say half, or -4.

some ideas/examples

ECM vs a Golem, low sensor str could reduce this by 80% or by 8.

BB has 10 ECM, Target has 30 sensor str could = removing 3 of the total lockable targets by that ship.


Half baked idea, would make ECM more fun, ECCM could secure at least 1 slot that can lock??

I overheated my ECCM and I have ECM compensation @ 4.

I do not blame ECM for losing the fight. 4vs1 I would probably lose this fight.

I blame the fact I was never able to fight back in spite of three ECCM modules.

Without this Blackbird I would perharps be able to flee or to have a kill before losing my ship... But we will never know because there had no fight...

In fact this gang was not the one I was coming for (Falcon+Sabre was my target)

**** luck bro. ECM gets under my skin too. I wish ccp would change it to any number of suggestions(ranging from the cut number of locked targets, to just breaking locks) I've heard, but IDK, they never seem to listen.

I feel your pain. I thought I had a chance against this small gang in FW.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20289270

I thought I could kill the griffin first if I burnt towards him and managed to target him when he missed a cycle. Instead, the rest of the fleet tackled me while the griffin had already put about 2 cycles of ecm. When he actually missed a cycle he was 40km out. I managed to destroy a kestrel in this time, but was jammed again until I popped. This griffin was rainbow fit, highest ecm value for ladar was 5.5 I believe. The SFI had almost 20 with compensation skills. Never go against a fleet with ecm I suppose.

I was of the opinion that ECM was an I WIN BUTTON or 5 however after skilling up a Falcon and testing it out, yes there are times when you will permajam, however there are also times when you will miss a jam or two. At under 10k ehp, 20 seconds of no jamming is death.

So it only seems like its OP, its somewhat like the guy who gets robbed by a person of another race and then thinks that that race are all robbers because he failed to notice the 99.9% of that race who didn't rob him. We always notice when things go wrong but not when they don't.

The same thing can happen with an Arazu, except it can 100% damp you down to 5k permanantly and 100% reliably, or a curse that can tracking disrupt you 100% and nuet your cap 100% of the time.

People don't like sitting there unable to relock but the above 2 ships do exactly the same thing... 100% of the time... why don't they ruin pvp?