Ships & Modules

Hi all,

TL;DR first tengu fit (scroll below), can it be done better?

Just wanted your opinion on a fit I will use on my first tengu.
I live in null since about a month now and after getting used to fly a BS (raven) for ratting, I'm training the skills for something better, namely a Tengu.
I want to permaboost since I don't like paying much attention to pulsing and the like. Local/directional scan/chatting with corpmates/intel channel keep me busy enough.
Also I know what not to do in null, like staying around too much with neutrals/campers in system, and would like to keep expenses at a minimum.

That said, this is what I'd be flying in a month or so:

[Tengu, HAMgu One]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

After the minimal Tengu plan, this ship will:
- be cap stable with everything running
- do 752 dps @ 30km with rage (121/172 exp. v/r), 502 @ 55km with javelin (141/100 exp. v/r), 557 @ 36 with T1 (same)
- tank 400dps vs. Gurista (that's all it ought to fight)
- fly at 447 m/s
- cost about 600M.

Keep in mind this is before getting all subsystems to V (because I'm that impatient) and rounding out the most relevant skills would require just a few days more.

Now, I have a few questions.

- Will I be able to hit frigates for full damage with T1/javs?
- What kind of plexes will this be able to run solo, and I mean, just this ship? I'm pretty sure about forlorn hubs which I can run even with my raven, which is inferior in every aspect, but what about DED? Will I be able to solo 8/10 and/or escalations?
- And, most of all, can I do better?

Thanks for your time!

Could be true if I had t2 cruise skills, which i don't. :D

Few things. You're using a deadspace small booster (not to mention a gistii one) and an afterburner. You should have capacitor coming out of your butt. Lose the t2 resistance amps. THey are bad. Replace with t2 kinetic hardeners. Also t1 afterburners are bad unless you're super-low on fittings. Fit t2 and go 500m/s +. Also its nice having more range on hams but one of your rigs should definitely be a rigor or a flare. Otherwise looks good. In general though i think small booster tengus are crap and pithum c-types are the minimum acceptable. They're cheap as hell now anyway.

Also, I assume you're against guristas. Guristas are easy as hell to tank in cruiser ships and they do virtually pure kinetic damage, so the same fit should work for complexes. However complexes are tougher, your AB speed will be more important and you may find your tiny little booster doesn't do enough for you. I prefer HML for complexes, but you need better missile skills and subsystem too keep your dps high.

Yes you need more tank. Unless you don't want to run 10/10's. For example if you run the maze solo or serp prison camp, which you can do in a Tengu, you're looking at getting webbed down to 25 m/s. You're going to need to kill the four stasis towers, and the 10 or so webbing scrambling frigs before you can speed tank.

Fitting crap like that on a Tengu is going to get you popped pretty fast imo.

Use a Gist C-Type Medium Booster (cheap)
Use X type Hardners (they're cheapish and definitely worth it)

You can get 1200 dps tank cap stable against guristas, I usually use X-type Ken hardners and 2 thermal T2 rigs.

Also the HAM's suck. You're going to spend heaps of time chasing Pith Destroyers out to 50km's. Fitting heavy missiles on paper doesn't look good but I have tried both and heavys are better dps if you take out the chasing orbiters at 50km.

[Tengu, Hams]
Ballistic Control II
Ballistic Control II
Ballistic Control II
Damage Control II

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

This gives you 1000 / 1200 (no crystals / LG crystals up to Epsilon) dps tank, 92 therm, 90 ken, stable with everything running at 69%, you still have one rig slot and 2 mid slot left for whatever you like.

to fit this needs 605 engineering, cap 805 and it's a good idea to add your x05 missile implants to take the dps to 880 dps.

I use the Pith A-Type, it takes the tank to 1800 dps but I don't like moving that's why I like the heavies rather than heavy assault. I can sit still while the whole Maze fires at me and pick them off without a worry. Given a 10/10 will often pay for the entire ship its worth it to pimp it. And I run as a ninja in Goon space so given you're in friendly its more than worth it imo.

Accidentally put in Mag Stabs lol... Changed to Ballistics and the correct dps, 880.

Dude. We're like twins! And yeah, your fit is probably tanky enough for anoms, but just because guristas are terrible at shooting tengus. CPU does get tight on the tengu, but I feel its not overly tight. You get a bit extra damage from faction ballistic controls, but the real reason you pay for them is the whopping 16 cpu or so you save on each one. Faction kinetic hardeners also save a ton of CPU and overload for longer, which is important to me, although I typically always use pith A/B type hardeners, which don't have quite as much CPU savings. I would check out the numbers you get and CPU usage of DG kinetic hardener + cap recharger, but i suspect though that because you have a small booster (and a gisti one at that), you won't really be able to use the extra capacitor you get. From what I can tell, you've gotten all the DPS you can out of that fit, which is good. The only way to make it better is to start putting a little bit of money into it so you can save CPU.

The other thing with my fits is i often use the emergent locus analyzer for combat simply because I prefer a midslot over a 4th low, and I often stick a cpu-light mod like a cap recharger there (larger booster lets me use cap better, plus often i have a mwd). If I was fighting guristas I'd probably stick with the dissolution sequencer. When you're ratting its good to give up a chunk of unnecessary tank for DPS, when you're doing plexes (like me) giving up a little dps for a lot of tank is also good.

One way to change up your fit would be to drop the range rigs entirely and fit a MWD with intercalcated nanofibers. That would likely improve your killing time against guristas BS that like to mosey on out to 50km. From experience, your signature is so small that you'll take very little DPS from battleships even with no afterburner. Finally, CPU rigs are a relatively recent addition to the game, they're pretty good and might be worth considering.



Just a few comments on this. As you've mentioned, HMLs are often preferred for plexes, depending on the rats and the plex. Also thermal DPS is such a small part of gurista damage output that with it as the tengu's highest resist, I would probably either use a single rig, free up both those rig slots and fit a hardener. Lastly deadspace SBAs have a absurdly high cost/benefit ratio. The gist c-type saves you 1 CPU, but 99% of the time you should use t2 and spend the isk on something else. Good call on the X-type kinetic hardener. I have a bunch of B-types lying around that I use so I don't bother with X-types, but they're just so damn cheap considering how well the performance scales on hardeners. Dunno where your hobgoblins are coming from though.

Regarding the SBAs, I noticed this first when I (stupidly) lost a two tengus in two days was trying to save a bit of isk on my third, I realized I'd wasted a few hundred mil on mods that were doing nothing. I think SBAs, being unique to shield ships, have a kind of shiny-factor about them that makes people desire them far more than what is reasonable.

Actually my point was that you don't have a dronebay at all