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Octoven
Stellar Production
#61 - 2013-11-07 05:22:40 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.

They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers.


So, you still play the game, though.
This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves.


There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#62 - 2013-11-07 05:24:30 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.

They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers.


So, you still play the game, though.
This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves.


There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good.


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Frying Doom
#63 - 2013-11-07 05:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.

Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels.

Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right?

Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#64 - 2013-11-07 05:47:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.

Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels.

Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right?

Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales.


Why are you following me? When I walked away from you in the other thread, did you like what you saw? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I'm a pitcher.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Octoven
Stellar Production
#65 - 2013-11-07 05:53:17 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.

They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers.


So, you still play the game, though.
This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves.


There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good.


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.


If your idea of "growing" is the influx of new accounts, that is an inaccurate measurement as new accounts have the possibility to be alts of older accounts. EVE sustained a loss in subscribers over Odyssey...i doubt Rubicon (which in my view is more invasive than odyssey) will bring many back and will in fact see more leave. In short...a decline.
Ryhss
#66 - 2013-11-07 05:54:53 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
I like Hyperions.

I like turtles

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#67 - 2013-11-07 05:55:17 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Rubicon is far from the best expansion in eve history. Apocrypha...aside from the week long server issues that followed is the best for me. Trinity was certainly a great leap forward. Retribution was also a pretty beefy expansion. Rubicon...SOE ships are the only thing I see decent about the patch, do not kid yourself it is not an expansion it is a patch.

They did name it appropriately though, "Rubicon...there is no turning back." Indeed no turning back from the downfall of eve online...err I mean ganking online. Forgive me, i forget about gankers.


So, you still play the game, though.
This leads me to believe that you and everyone else who talks like you is either a drama queen, or determined to go down with the ship. If the first one... stop talking and biomass. If the second one... hold on tight, because if this ship is sinking, it's going to be at least another decade before it's beneath the waves.


There is no drama involved in stating the truth. I stay because I have been for the better half of EvE and do hate to see it go down. However, I would hope that CCP wakes up before it does crash and burn. Saying it will decline isnt the same as saying its done for good.


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.


If your idea of "growing" is the influx of new accounts, that is an inaccurate measurement as new accounts have the possibility to be alts of older accounts. EVE sustained a loss in subscribers over Odyssey...i doubt Rubicon (which in my view is more invasive than odyssey) will bring many back and will in fact see more leave. In short...a decline.



You actually use reason in your arguments. So, I will keep debating you. But not right now... it's past my bed time. My girlfriend is going to be mad if I stay up much later.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Frying Doom
#68 - 2013-11-07 06:19:32 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:


I just got done telling Frying Doom this same thing:

EVE is *growing*, not dying. Do a little research. Google is your friend.

Maybe you should do some research or explain if you are right why is it that the PCU this June, just finally got back to pre-Incarna levels.

Also you are aware that those subscriber numbers and the PCU include trial accounts right?

Maybe instead of making crap up and telling people to google your wild ass theories, you actually show us these links but I doubt you can as the internet is not yet capable of linking to someones fairy tales.


Why are you following me? When I walked away from you in the other thread, did you like what you saw? Well, thanks for the compliment, but I'm a pitcher.

No you are a joke making wild ass guesses with no ability to back them up.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#69 - 2013-11-07 06:41:02 UTC
Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome!

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Frying Doom
#70 - 2013-11-07 07:05:55 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome!

I was just wondering, I have a bridge to sell would you be interested in buying it?

Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#71 - 2013-11-07 07:15:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
What's with all this optimism, OP? Haven't you heard?

Bastion sucks,
Interceptors suck,
Deployable Tractor structure thingy sucks,
Ghost sites suck, everything sucks. Infact, the only thing that's supposed to suck, Siphons, doesn't suck.

But seriously, waiting for Rubicon and the 'Sky has fallen' threads.



You forgot "Jake Warbird Sucks, Nerf him"! CCp is going to come to your house and when they are done, you will be 10 inches shorter and less good looking. They will proclaim you "Balanced" and fly back to Iceland. Cool


Damn, now I have to scrape my breakfast off my monitor. Straight
Prince Kobol
#72 - 2013-11-07 07:35:56 UTC
The thing is with Rubicon is that is just so... well underwhelming.

I mean bug fixes should not be a major part of any expansion, they should be things which are constantly done yet CCP seem to including them in expansions and advertised them as a feature.

Also with Ship rebalancing.. its not like they take 100's of man hours to accomplish.

The ships already exist, its a matter of tweaking numbers in a database and then releasing a dev blog for people to tell them were they have gone wrong.

Here is the website for Rubicon

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon?utm_source=Community+news+feed&utm_medium=Banner&utm_term=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_content=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_campaign=Rubicon+is+coming

You telling me that excites you?

What is actually new... 4 deployable units, 3 ships, ISS Ship guide and Ghost Sites.

Everything else is either bug fixes or changing a few numbers on a Database.

There is nothing in this expansion which is game changing, nothing which is exciting.

All that will happen is a few weeks after the release pos siphons will be changed because of the sheer amount of crying and butthurt on the forums when the goons swap New Eden with them.





Josef Djugashvilis
#73 - 2013-11-07 08:39:46 UTC
For myself, I am happy that CCP appear to be spending some time fixing what we already have, re-balancing ships etc, although it would be nice if they were to fix POSs etc as well.

Fix what we already have, then add large amounts of new game play.

Oh and the sooner DUST is abandoned the better.

I can never work out why a game I do not play on a platform I do not own, should be allowed to have any impact on a game I do pay for and play.

This is not a signature.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#74 - 2013-11-07 08:44:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
Im with ya jarod. Rubicon will be awesome!

I was just wondering, I have a bridge to sell would you be interested in buying it?

Lol


TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Frying Doom
#75 - 2013-11-07 08:52:41 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon.

Well be sure to thank your drug dealer or the doctor who prescribed your 'happy pills' Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-11-07 09:00:01 UTC
it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.

previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit.

forums.  serious business.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#77 - 2013-11-07 09:04:38 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
The thing is with Rubicon is that is just so... well underwhelming.

I mean bug fixes should not be a major part of any expansion, they should be things which are constantly done yet CCP seem to including them in expansions and advertised them as a feature.

Also with Ship rebalancing.. its not like they take 100's of man hours to accomplish.

The ships already exist, its a matter of tweaking numbers in a database and then releasing a dev blog for people to tell them were they have gone wrong.

Here is the website for Rubicon

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon?utm_source=Community+news+feed&utm_medium=Banner&utm_term=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_content=Rubicon+is+coming&utm_campaign=Rubicon+is+coming

You telling me that excites you?

What is actually new... 4 deployable units, 3 ships, ISS Ship guide and Ghost Sites.

Everything else is either bug fixes or changing a few numbers on a Database.

There is nothing in this expansion which is game changing, nothing which is exciting.

All that will happen is a few weeks after the release pos siphons will be changed because of the sheer amount of crying and butthurt on the forums when the goons swap New Eden with them.








I tend to agree with this statement. The word expansion implies just that, expanding the game. Adding new mechanics, content, and features would be just that. Apocrypha for example added wormhole space, Incursions added incursions, and many of the earlier expansions of eve added so much. Rubicon is basically a patch. Other games have patches to expansions that add minor content just as rubicon is doing but they dont call it an expansion.

My worry here is the direction CCP will take eve as well. They clearly have stated they wish to spread new features, content, and additions over multiple expansions while at the same time fixing already existing issues. If this is an example of future expansions then in all honesty...don't call it an expansion because it isn't.

Now...I am not saying fixing things and adjusting the game to optimize some mechanics shouldn't be exciting, but to say it is an exciting expansion is not really a true statement. If you were to say it is an exciting patch...then yeah. Even so, there really isn't a lot of things in the upcoming patch that excites me. Perhaps the sites and soe ships...that really is it. Everything else is just filler content to make us feel like we are getting something nice...and yes I realize the patch in of itself is free but so are most other patches to expansions in other games.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#78 - 2013-11-07 09:05:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
TT_TT that hurt, i am serious. I am going to love rubicon.

Well be sure to thank your drug dealer or the doctor who prescribed your 'happy pills' Lol


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6Ye_vTf_kas/TktD0D6tNfI/AAAAAAAABhI/HaPB9BBKdo0/s1600/lolcat-funny-picture-found-pills-ate-eat1.jpg

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Prince Kobol
#79 - 2013-11-07 09:37:51 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.

previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit.


In what way does Rubicon a become a good expansion for newer and casual players.

What does Rubicon bring that you can't already do now?

You say wont need to go to station, how long do think it will take players to start scanning down the mobile depots?

How many times are you going to use them after they have been popped?

There is Rubicon that you can't already do now.


Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-11-07 09:48:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's a pretty good expansion for newer players and casual players, opening up null for all kinds of possibilities.

previously i wouldn't have even bothered running missions in null but with trusty yurt and T3 it should be quite viable. you won't need to go near a station or gimp your fit.


In what way does Rubicon a become a good expansion for newer and casual players.

What does Rubicon bring that you can't already do now?

You say wont need to go to station, how long do think it will take players to start scanning down the mobile depots?

How many times are you going to use them after they have been popped?

There is Rubicon that you can't already do now.




the meta 3 mobile depots are practically impossible to scan down, currently.

and anyway, if you beat the scanner to it, refit and then either scoop it (not sure how long that takes) or wait until it gets reinforced then it's served its purpose.

and if you're handy and think you can take them, use it as bait. you're no longer taking a knife to a gun fight, you've got a swiss army knife.. a T3 can hold a fair amount of different offensive modules, you could refit with a couple of webs and then HAM their face off.

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