EVE General Discussion

So much better than the simple sets of instructions for doing raid bosses in other MMOs. 99% of which boils down to "don't stand in the fire."

Welcome to a PvP game.

PvE in this game is not fun.
Water is wet.
The pope is catholic.

Am I the first person who say this:

OP, WoW is that way ====>

WoW isn't fun (and neither is EvE, a WoW clone)

PvE is a massive part of all MMOs. Just dismissing this because you don't do it, don't like it or don't believe it should be part of EvE doesn't diminish this fact. There are loads of people that play EvE and never engage in PvP. These people don't have the time in their busy lives, they just want to be able to log into the game they enjoy, and play the aspects they like best. If this happens to be missions, mining, trading, or whatever that means they have no interest in leaving highsec, then there's no problem with that. EvE is a great game for exactly the reason that it caters to all playstyles. I completely agree that PvE in EvE is boring however, way more so than other MMOs. This missions are the same, and its just a repeating grind of bordom that you can only take so long. The anoms located in other areas of space, such as null and wh-space can be more interesting and tricky, but once you have them down they're just the same grind as the normal ones.

I definately think that PvE missions need some out-of-the-box thinking, they need to be more exciting. They need to have an interesting story behind them, something that can seem to matter. Perhaps they can send you on searches into distant null sec systems, or invite you to locate a specific wormhole? Maybe combat isn't the only thing waiting on the other end. I think Epic Arcs came the closest, and perhaps in the future CCP can improve upon them further to give the non-pvp players an even better experience.

While the above statement is true consider this....


I was a skirmish pvp guy I liked the small to medium sized fleets of 10-50 but it seems like more and more specially with the rise of the collations in nul sec the ways of the small fleets are going the way of the dinosaurs in favor of 1000+ man blobs, which just becomes to over whelming and boring.

So that begs the question of what your doing the rest of the time your waiting for the once in a blue moon mega blob fleets to happen, so the rest of the time you do what mine, rat (or some other obligatory form of pve) which by the way has not changed all that much. Or go out on a roam and hope that in the 2hrs spent (wasted) jumping about you get an encounter.

To much focus on PVP imo...and even that can get boring over time (as in my case) CCP needs to look at solo game play aspects a bit more. I mean Mining, ratting and missioning hell I can do that in my sleep

So even tho I am from a pvp background I support 100% what the OP is saying.

1. Use this spec
2. Equip these items
3. Stand here
4. Hit that thing until it falls over

All MMO PvE boils down to this, because writing PvE which is challenging without being overpowering is hard. Random mobs? How do you ensure that a spawn of 12 cruisers is "balanced" compared to a spawn of four battleships? What if one spawn has a unified mix of damage output while the other spawn is focussed entirely on one damage type?

TBH eve pve will never be very good because eve's gameplay is slow, and the bigger your ship gets the slower it becomes. Good pve tends to come from well written ai combined with giving the NPCs either stats similar to yours, or better, so that it's mostly your ability to dodge/weave around that keeps you alive. Eve just isn't fast-paced enough for that kind of stuff to work. The way fitting works is also a problem there, because in other games you don't usually have the option of just throwing everything you have at whatever you're fighting, between cooldowns, mana, range and other crap like that other games have the option of letting you walk out the door with 20 different tools to smack things, and in eve you will 90+% of the time, have a max of 2.

Add a plex or two in cargo and it get even more exciting :D