Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You have the stats in the post above. Notice how much one person can do via Suicide Ganking. He is solo Suicide Ganking, cause 34 times the loss he takes in ISK. 34 times. If that does not show a problem what does?

It doesn't show a problem. Picking targets wisely and being rewarded for doing so is not a problem. That's EVE, and moreso, that's life.

And aside from that, I really don't see how one person being better at the game than a bunch of other people means that whatever the good player happens to use or how he plays should be nerfed. It does mean that a whole bunch of other people need to raise their own personal bar though.

Take for instance, a well known figure on these forums, Cannibal Kane. His killboard is extremely efficient. Does that mean we need to nerf the Legion or the Bhaalgorn because that's what he uses?

No. It just means that he is good at EVE, and the people he is defeating so easily SUCK AT EVE ONLINE.

It's not his fault that other people are bad at this video game. It's their fault. They suffer for it. All is as it should be.

You have obviously never seen what 5 hobgoblin IIs will do to an untanked destroyer.

EDIT: I'll also say that while a good number of kane's victims have "weapons" on their ships. They might as well not because the people using them are utter morons.

They already were ganked by Concord.

We already do this at -10, what you want already happens

I'm going to go with Mr. "Botmuncher Goblin", who has 101 kills this month (according to Eve-kill) -- though none of them are solo-kills -- he's usually flying with "Botslayer Goblin" (EDIT -- cursory glance at exhumers only). I don't know "how" ISK destroyed is calculated (is it final blow or just "involved in the kill"?) so things could potentially be skewed due to it counting things twice.

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CCP has already decided how much tank a mining ship has to fit to mine in a system by adding rats to belts. The logic there was that if they can survive the rats there, they can mine. The downside of staying in High Sec for miners is clear - they mine the less lucrative minerals. The advantage for that should have been added safety and the need to fit a smaller tank

This is clearly not working right now. Because while a miner has enough tank to be able to mine in that belt, it doesn`t have enough tank to survive the a PVP ship with 8 guns attacking it. It does not survive because a mining barge was NEVER designed to survive a PVP ship attacking it. The players have found a way to exploit this and CCP has reacted by nerfing the Gankers time and time again.

However, it is still not effective, as you can clearly see. So CCP needs to look at it again and nerf it again until miners actually survive.

And no, you can`t expect a miner to go and kill his attacker, as he is a miner, a non combat profession, and already decided to lose a lot of profit by mining in High Sec, trading profit for protection.. However, at this point, he is trading profit for nothing as he is not protected.

Also, the miner does not care for combat, that should be clear, so providing him with a combat option is not good enough. Besides, even if he would have the combat skills to kill the ganker, he is not experienced in PVP AND he gains nothing from killing the ganker. His Mining Barge doesn`t come back to him if he killed the ganker.

Miners need protection not revenge. And CCP is trying to give them that. All i am saying so far it has not worked and more is needed to keep the miners safe from ganks. That`s what they care for, safety. Not revenge.

Please stop. Miners already have all the tools to protect themselves: fit tank, use fleet bonuses, stay aligned and DO NOT afk.

Miners have protection, lots of it but they chose not to use any of it.

The average miner gets taken out by the average ganker all the time right now, and while you keep saying "miners should be more skilled" they are what they are. They decided not to fight so asking them to have PVP experience/skills is not really realistic in any way.

We need a way for the average miner to survive 50% of the time when ganked by the average ganker. As in, a mining barge costing 200mil should not be taken out by 2-3 destroyers costing 45mil before CONCORD gets there if the mining barge has a booster and 1-2 resist modules. That can be achieved by making the mining ships a lot more resilient or by speeding up CONCORD response. Or in any other way. But the gankers investment should be at least 70% of what he is destroying.

You will say that in PVP a small inexpensive ship should be able to take out a more expensive one and i agree. But not in High Sec and not before CONCORD responds.

If you are able to take out ships costing a few times more than the ships you use to take them out BEFORE CONCORD RESPONDS, they you should be nerfed. CCP agrees and has nerfed you already, they just didn`t go far enough.

If you feel you should be able to take out ships before CONCORD responds and only lose 10%-30% of what they lose, you need to stop dreaming. Of course, you can always go in low sec/null sec and take out titans in your rifter, that is fine as there is no protection mechanic failing to do its job there.

Griefers don`t need protection. Their victims do.