Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Mobility of these ships need looking at.

Keres is much too fast for a long range boat.
Speed should be based on effective fighting range.
Keres is not a blaster boat.

The speed range is too wide , insulating flyers of the faster ships from the need to consider speed mods.
The slowest hull with a low slot speed mod should be faster than the fastest hull with no mods imo.

I reckon
Keres 340
Kitsune 345
Sentinal 355
Hyena 360

would be a more appropriate spread.

He already explained why the sentinel is more POWERFUl. Because its a ship with much weaker capability to support larger ships into neutralizing other ships. A keres can be devastating in a small gang, being able to cancel a battleship of enemy fleet even. A sentinel, would be almsot irrelevant if its bonuses were not upped to this level.

That comes from fact that Webs, Damps and ECM are abasolute, they are doing their effects.. or they are not. Small neuts not very bonused would be doing a BIT of effect, but very likely not enough to hamper a BC for example.. not even dream of a battleship.

On the minmatar ewar I agree completely. 2 target painter bonuses, one that basically cannto be used if youw ant to use the web bonus.. is HORRIBLE design

Too small? Its less than 10% worse than minmatar. the standard deviation for gallente.

Altough the sentinel is HIGHER than the normal racial flavor dictates.

That never stopped the arazu from doign its work.


You cannto have EVERYTHING. If you think that is a problem.. try to check how you an use a Target paint RANGE bonus, on a ship whose primary function is to WEB other ships at UNDER max normal range of target painters.

i.e.

KITSUNE

Caldari Frigate Bonuses:
20% bonus to ECM target jammer strength per level
10% reduction in ECM target jammers' capacitor need per level

Electronic Attack Ships Bonuses:
15% bonus to ECM target jammer optimal range per level (+2.5% per level)
5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level

Slot layout: 3H, 5M, 2L; 1 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 26 PWG, 270 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 450(+50) / 250 / 275(+25)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 415 / 195s (-116s) / 2.12 (+.79)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 315 / 3.86 / 1228700(+111700) / 5.98s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km(+23km) / 520 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 47(-11)

KERES

Gallente Frigate Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to remote sensor dampener effectiveness per level
10% reduction in remote sensor dampener capacitor need per level

Electronic Attack Ships Bonuses:
15% bonus to warp disruptor range per level (+5% per level)
10% reduction in warp disruptor capacitor need per level

Slot layout: 2H, 5M, 3L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 33 PWG, 205 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 325 / 400(+50) / 425(+75)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 375 / 187s (-93s) / 2.00 (+.66)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350(+5) / 4.1 / 1204500(+109500) / 6.22s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10(+5) / 10
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 64.5km(+25.5km) / 550 / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric(-.5)
Signature radius: 43(-12)

these ships can stand against "uber" sentinel, imho.. have you ever heard of cap boosters?

Is the Keres actually getting worse? It got 10%/Level disruptor range, hence 50% at V. Now it's reduced to 15% +5%/Level = 40%
Or am i wrong?

Ah, sorry, now i get it. Can't brain today. I have the dumb.

I think this is the direction to go in. Many Caldari Pilots like Ewar but avoid using ECM! We see many demanding that CCP invents a secondary Ewar for Caldari, then proposing truly awful ideas. If we look at the Ship Fitting window, we can see that most ship-stats are disrupt-able already.

Offense:
Turret Accuracy (TD)
Turret Range (TD)
Missile Accuracy
Missile Range

Navigation:
Speed (Web)
Mass
Agility
Warp (Scram)

Targeting:
Sensor Strength (ECM) -...you know what I mean...
Locking Speed (Damp)
Locking Range (Damp)
# of Locks (ECM)
Signature Radius (TP)

Capacitor:
Capacitance (Neut)
Recharge Rate (Nos) -...you get it...

Defense:
Shield Resistances ?
Armor Resistances ?
Hull Resistances

It looks like Defense Stats are all thats really left for Caldari!

CCP could create modules for disrupting either Shield or Armor and either EM, Therm, Kin or Exp, we could, at max, counter that 4%/lv resist bonus for a -20% hole. Make them stack poorly, consume lots of cap, and we'd have something about as effective as a target painter to start out

Gallente would enjoy a very minor advantage of having their Hull resistances immune to this.

From here CCP could focus the Force Recons on the Primary Ewar's and the Combat Recons on the Secondary Ewar's. We would get a more natural fleet/solo differentiation there.

It looks like the major debate here is whether the EAF's should go in the direction of Solo or Fleet, and focus on Primary or Secondary Ewar. I really envision them as offensive + secondary ewar ships, but that is really still open for debate.

I think its a missed opportunity here too distinguish EAF's from T1 e-war frigs.

a secondary e-war focus along with stronger offensive/defensive stats/ bonuses but with the drawback of being short ranged .. i.e. long point range. the primary e-war doesn't get used on most of these anyway.

the frigate bonuses could have been damage and range bonuses
the EAF skills could have been the secondary e-war strength and range
and a role bonus could have been for cap reduction on the e-war mods.

I think that they should get a MWD sig penalty reduction role bonus, to make it a bit more similar to most other T2 frigates and increase their chance of surviving without raising their ehp.