EVE General Discussion

These noob corps you speak of have the option of allowing any other corp to join in their defense, for free. If you really want to do it, then make a new corp, and offer free help to war dec'd noobs!

Without much effort you can get free wars against many of the larger high sec merc corps out there. GL!

The problem aren't the hi sec war decs, in my not humble opinion. The thing is, what are the benefits of being in a player run corp in hi sec? nothing that you can't do with your alt, or alone.

In null sec, being part of an alliance pays well. You can use jump bridges, have access to intel channels, JF service, more friends to pvp/pve with... etc. Of course, you have to contribute with a little effort to make the corp you are in to grow up. Nothing is free and that is understandable.

But, what about hi sec? You contribute to the group and you get nothing back. Hi sec non-pvp player corps are just player milkers. Why build diplomatic releations with a few pvp corps to protect our player and assets? I'm sure that an indy corp can offer good stuff in exchange for that. Nah, let's keep being bad and if we get war decced then it's time to play another game. The milking will continue the next week. No problem bros, just dock up or log off.

This is the misconception, you aren't powerless at all and a few simple tactics will make them go away. Train electronic warfare and get into griffins then back those up with some cheap destroyers. Its enough damage to kill them and support to make it really hard for them to do much to your destroyers. Neither is high skill either, it just takes a little bit of thinking and the motivation to do something about your situation. The miners could never figure out how to tank their ship to the point CCP buffed them all so those two might be in short supply for your average highsec person.

All true advice here. The real problem is not that fighting back is too hard/impossible but that a **** ton of people don't know WTF they are doing. Without someone telling you the right stuff, it's easy to get lost in the vastness of possibility the game has to offer.

Knowledge of the game will let you do lots of neat things even with the low SP level of a newbie.
High SP with poor knowledge of the game will make you a big fat target.

there are already too many ways for player to avoid wardecs. and yet u still wanna nerf it......

if a simple google search and some reading is deemed too hard, EVE is probably too much for them.


PS. and he11 yea, the famous learning cliff is literally, a cliff.
PS2. and yes, we r driving the bulldozer on top of the cliff, we liked it.

A wardec just makes me spend time modeling on SiSi for a while.

If people leave because they get decced/killed by me and my friends, then I'll always remember them by the corpse I keep in my tickle closet.

Everyday I'll wake up, walk over to that frost coated meat locker with the title "Tickle Closet" scrawled in pitiful black penmanship across the door, and quietly whisper into the ears of those who quit after there untimely death, "I'm so sorry."

But no, I really don't think people quit due to this ****

Side note, I want to dec npc corps. Would be nice.

I have never known fighting back to be an option. Typically situation I have seen is twenty man corp declaring war on a hundred man corp. If the members of the larger defending corp fight then irrelevant of skills or tactics it would be pretty hard to lose a battle (obviously winning every battle in a war in Eve doesn't win the war). That also means that unless the aggressor is a little dim they wont be floating about waiting to be slaughtered. Unfortunately that means that there is nothing for you to do - you have successfully arranged a corp wide op in which nothing happened - don't expect to be applauded for that.
Conversely if you do not fight in an organised fashion and just go about your daily business then your corp is pecked at as and when the aggressor chooses.

Essentially if you organise your corp to fight in a high sec war all you are doing is asking them to log into Eve and do nothing. Skipping the Eve step entirely, playing on an alt or joining an alt corp provides far more rewarding gameplay than 'fighting' in a high sec war.
Skills, tactics, fittings etc. are only useful for low and null roams, they are pointless in high sec as you will never need them as there will never be anyone to shoot at so long as you are prepared to shoot back.

That is my personal experience, I don't mean to say that my experience holds true for the entire universe but I can only share my experience. I don't think it abnormal to see a spike in inactive corp members after a war, the excitement is too much for some people.

I do and have posted before that it would make sense that both parties have assets in space so that there is always something to shoot at, also that additional fighting options should be available other than the seven days of nothing happening in the name of bloodshed and glory. Straight x vs x fleet fights would seem to be what aggressors actually want when they declare their random war, I don't see how it would game breaking to have that option as well.

EvE is a GAME about a dystopian universe. CCP is a business. Part of being in business is attempting to attract, and retain, paying customers. Ads are about painting a picture for a potential customer to draw them in. It is not a contract, nor an all-inclusive description.

Money belonging to dumb people spends just as well as money belonging to smart people. Again, meeting customer expectations is part of being in business. Some of their customers want it one way, some want it another. Making both groups happy is the goal.

Fixed that for ya. The principle is viable in the real world, not just in EvE. Wars have been used to prop up real economics since the beginning of time and are still used for that today.