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Why do mercs charge 500m for wardecs that cost them 50m?

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-11-05 03:25:52 UTC
So 500m is too expensive, but from reading some of the OP's follow up posts she expects a 5+ group to camp a corp into their staging system for the week. Since you can mine Scordite (or whatever the ore de jure is) for 20mil an hour we'll call that the baseline for isk. Assuming the avg merc doesn't mind making what a miner does, that 500m buys 25 hours of "war time". Of course, if all 5 of our mercs are on the case, then that only results in 5 hours of camping your war targets in system. That's like dinner and a movie, then the corp is free to do what it wants for the rest of the week. To camp them in for one TZ you would need 800m for each merc. So 4bil for a weeks worth of war.

This is why merc corps mostly camp trade hubs and trade routes. Because they can take a bunch of contracts and everyone has to sell/buy stuff, so the targets come to you. They don't have to dedicate 5 guys to camping corp A in. They can have 5 guys on a gate making sure corp A-Zs ships get exploded when they want to take their loot to Jita.

To get more than that out of a merc corp try doing some of the work yourself. Not the pew-pew, oh no that would be too messy. But run down where they are, what they fly, and what times they are likely to be on. Pass the deets onto your mercs and they will be far more likely to hunt them down and splode your foes.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-11-05 06:27:05 UTC
Domineren wrote:
Just be aware OP that if you hire marmite against some targets that bite back, youll have to hope and pray those WTs travel through Uedama because thats the only time youll get your money's worth


You'd think that an ELITE group of (forum) pvpers would know that and wouldn't manage to welp 3billion of their ships in Uedama... but oh wait... You did.

Also: http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/1680888152/violent_systems/ and http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/99000200/violent_systems/

Looks like Marmites killing stuff everywhere as opposed to arround Amarr, where your alliance is, Domineren.

D.

Bear

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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#23 - 2013-11-05 06:56:53 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Domineren wrote:
Just be aware OP that if you hire marmite against some targets that bite back, youll have to hope and pray those WTs travel through Uedama because thats the only time youll get your money's worth


You'd think that an ELITE group of (forum) pvpers would know that and wouldn't manage to welp 3billion of their ships in Uedama... but oh wait... You did.

Also: http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/1680888152/violent_systems/ and http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/99000200/violent_systems/

Looks like Marmites killing stuff everywhere as opposed to arround Amarr, where your alliance is, Domineren.

D.

Bear


Well, seems like marmite cleared out of amarr atleast?

Oh.. yeah that loki was giftwrapped and a bad start on the last war. Unfortunately for us one of our members did a "suicide by marmite" for some reason.

But lets see how the war ends :)

PS: We had a similar incident the last time aswell.. a numbskull (now a former devil) that found it wise to carebear while at war, but that did'nt change the fact that we won that time.
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-11-05 07:15:24 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:

Well, seems like marmite cleared out of amarr atleast?

Oh.. yeah that loki was giftwrapped and a bad start on the last war. Unfortunately for us one of our members did a "suicide by marmite" for some reason.

But lets see how the war ends :)

PS: We had a similar incident the last time aswell.. a numbskull (now a former devil) that found it wise to carebear while at war, but that did'nt change the fact that we won that time.


We do try to keep the welp by Devil's to a minimum Lol but yeah, like you we also have our fair share of 'Leeroys'.
I wouldn't have brought it up was it not for the comments Domineren made.

There are mercs who do it for cheap and that's fine, yet these mercs might still be trying to make a name for themselves or might not be able to bring the forces that more established mercs can bring to the field. In the end, it's up to the client to decide what he/she wants and how much they are willing to pay for the service.
In any case,

Heather Tsukaya wrote:

Wouldn't you folks be able to get more easy kills at trade hubs if you lowered prices?

The more, the better Twisted and there are already many people paying for that service without complaining, when RVB allies your enemies and drop a 50man fleet on said tradehub, let's see which merc group sticks arround.

D.

Bear

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-11-05 07:42:26 UTC
I charge 500mil because I don't want to lift a finger for anybody else besides myself. I need to be motivated to do something for somebody else.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2013-11-05 09:14:39 UTC
Repo will stick around for a fifty man fleet of rvb nubs in tech 1 crap

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Marexlovox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-11-05 09:36:11 UTC
The best results for the client is to do the PPK (Pay Per Kill) and Dec Cost contract, paying outright usually results in no results. If the mercs want to get paid they need to kill, show results. How is works is prices are determined by what the ship is (example: 10mil for frig, 25mil for cruiser, 40mil for battlecruiser... ect). When I was IA its how we did it, we had contracts all the time, made isk not a whole lot but it was fun get paid pvp.Pirate
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-11-05 10:59:54 UTC
Marexlovox wrote:
The best results for the client is to do the PPK (Pay Per Kill) and Dec Cost contract, paying outright usually results in no results. If the mercs want to get paid they need to kill, show results. How is works is prices are determined by what the ship is (example: 10mil for frig, 25mil for cruiser, 40mil for battlecruiser... ect). When I was IA its how we did it, we had contracts all the time, made isk not a whole lot but it was fun get paid pvp.Pirate


Only terrible mercs will take such contracts, as you're already interfeering with the wardec, a kill is a bonus for hs mercs.

The thing that people have to understand about hs is that there's usually no assets the targets have to defend, which means they can just stay docked and not do anything for a week.

If you pay a merc corp to dec someone you don't pay for the kills, you pay for the interference.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-11-05 11:05:10 UTC
Some groups charge only the war dec cost.... who might these be? They might help you pursue your happiness

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#30 - 2013-11-05 12:20:59 UTC
Domineren wrote:
Just be aware OP that if you hire marmite against some targets that bite back, youll have to hope and pray those WTs travel through Uedama because thats the only time youll get your money's worth
Some dec us and never seen our HQ system at all....... looks like thats worth every isks Blink

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-11-05 12:32:11 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Domineren wrote:
Just be aware OP that if you hire marmite against some targets that bite back, youll have to hope and pray those WTs travel through Uedama because thats the only time youll get your money's worth
Some dec us and never seen our HQ system at all....... looks like thats worth every isks Blink

I'd come to uedama and say hello to you tora if we decced you. Big smile

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Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-05 14:40:03 UTC
The way I look at is is 500mil is not even a PLEX and you are paying mercs to invest their time. Time is expensive way more expensive than 1 plex for 1 week of war dec.

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Renslip Darkdraught
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-11-05 14:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Renslip Darkdraught
If everyone in your corp has a free slot, just make Catalyst alts and gank them repeatedly. Save your money (if you aren't going to shell out for a group that is sure to get some kills).

edit: if you don't have the alts just give each other 21 day trial accounts and do it that way.

Drunk tank, best tank.

Yendaj
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
#34 - 2013-11-05 14:44:24 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Domineren wrote:
Just be aware OP that if you hire marmite against some targets that bite back, youll have to hope and pray those WTs travel through Uedama because thats the only time youll get your money's worth


You'd think that an ELITE group of (forum) pvpers would know that and wouldn't manage to welp 3billion of their ships in Uedama... but oh wait... You did.

Also: http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/1680888152/violent_systems/ and http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/99000200/violent_systems/

Looks like Marmites killing stuff everywhere as opposed to arround Amarr, where your alliance is, Domineren.

D.

Bear




Every now and again the POT and the KETTLE sit down together and hold a Tea Party RollLol
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-11-05 15:14:43 UTC
Renslip Darkdraught wrote:
If everyone in your corp has a free slot, just make Catalyst alts and gank them repeatedly. Save your money (if you aren't going to shell out for a group that is sure to get some kills).

edit: if you don't have the alts just give each other 21 day trial accounts and do it that way.


That's actually against the ToS or EULA to make throw away accounts. :P

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-11-05 16:42:03 UTC
I find its important in a peen measuring contest to measure not just from the base of the head to the tip, but from the base of the shaft to the tip...that is, individual kills/losses go either way, whats important is the total picture...

...to wit, as can be seen on our 'Active Campaigns' summary, our peens are firm and far from flaccid when brought to bear on those we are after.

p.s.
Someone (Heather Tsukaya?) alluded to Devils 'not forming 5+ man fleets'. Hogwash. But if you really must fixate on girth rather than length (or simply bringing our clients to release), I can assure you we have all sizes...of plans to suit any besieged corps budget...
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-11-05 17:05:07 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I find its important in a peen measuring contest to measure not just from the base of the head to the tip, but from the base of the shaft to the tip...that is, individual kills/losses go either way, whats important is the total picture...

...to wit, as can be seen on our 'Active Campaigns' summary, our peens are firm and far from flaccid when brought to bear on those we are after.

p.s.
Someone (Heather Tsukaya?) alluded to Devils 'not forming 5+ man fleets'. Hogwash. But if you really must fixate on girth rather than length (or simply bringing our clients to release), I can assure you we have all sizes...of plans to suit any besieged corps budget...


See, what most peeps do not see is that in a gang of 30 windowlickers, 3 of them actually were fast enough to whore the mail.

But the Kill Boards do not show that, and most people are oblivious.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#38 - 2013-11-05 17:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Heather Tsukaya wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Heather Tsukaya wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
If you paid a low price for a war, you hired the wrong mercs.

I will gladly pay over 500m if I knew for sure the mercs I hire would camp the target sinto their staging system for a week.

However if I pay 500m and the mercs don't even visit the staging system of the target, then that makes me a giant sucker ok. It's not about the money I just don't want to be a giant sucker.


Hire POD or Devils. They may charge more than 500m, but will leave your targets unable to do anything and/or exploded.

Trawling through eve kill I don't see any examples of devils forming a 5+ man fleet.

I wouldn't even pay wardec costs for that.

Maybe they can elite 1v1 PvP missioners, but if I knew of some missioners that needed popping I'd wardec them myself.

Hell if they were loot pinata fit I wouldn't even bother with the wardec. CONCORD isn't gonna save your ass in a 0.5 system off gate.


We are effective, period.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#39 - 2013-11-05 19:05:01 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Some groups charge only the war dec cost.... who might these be? They might help you pursue your happiness

They must reaping the pods in space, no idea why other mercs be so greedy, kill +spaceship loot =fun, and monies

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#40 - 2013-11-06 11:01:37 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I find its important in a peen measuring contest to measure not just from the base of the head to the tip, but from the base of the shaft to the tip...that is, individual kills/losses go either way, whats important is the total picture...

...to wit, as can be seen on our 'Active Campaigns' summary, our peens are firm and far from flaccid when brought to bear on those we are after.
To bad you cant count properly. If these were just your kills, I would say, good job. But a large portion of the kills you had against us for example, you were just whoring on the kills from a lot of other mercenary alliances/corps. Look at me and my BIG peen.... This selective memory thing makes you look a bit ..... I'll keep it nice....... funny Blink

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