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When will the phoenix not suck, and will we get % to shield implants?
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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-11-04 18:09:38 UTC
Nolen Cadmar wrote:
Leave the Phoenix as is. It's the ultimate structure bashing dread. It sucks at everything else because of that. It has it's one purpose, just leave it at that.


It has less dps than other dreads. Why are people saying it's sooo good at structure bashing? Did anyone ever alpha a tower or something?
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-11-04 20:02:09 UTC
Make them armor tanks, with hybrids........ so a Moros pretty much. There is another option, but it is muddy.
First, convince triage carriers that shield is a viable triage module.
Second, convince bloc fleets that shield triage wil definitely NOT get all of you killed.
Third, nerf the hell out of every other dread. This really would make it the best dread....
Fourth, make it a "veldnaught" seriously, this has win written all over it.




Also..... posting in stealth :nerf dreads(except phoenix): thread Big smile
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#43 - 2013-11-04 21:24:07 UTC
Primarily, I hate the Phoenix because I only purchased the Capital Launcher Hardpoint BPO for the Nagflar and then CCP f*&ked me my changing the build requirements....

...and now I'm left with an expensive BPO that I can't offload becuase its only used for the ugliest, useless piece of Caldari crap in the game.

Yes... thanks a bunch CCP.....
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#44 - 2013-11-04 21:52:32 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:

You'll need to increase the explosion velocity too. Or you'll find Titans speed tanking citadel cruises.


Yes, but this needs to be handled very carefully, taking in count TP and SW stacking values in order to predict and contain the maximum damage application potential.
Potentially incoming missile modules complicate the equation even more.
The main issue with the Phoenix (as well as the main reason why CCP hasn't laid its hands on it yet, IMO) is that it has a massive power creep potential.
I've been fiddling with it for quite a while already, and I can see it becoming very powerful with only a few twists.

Did you manage to find the rare CCP Nozh target painter?!?!
Me ofcourse
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-11-05 06:42:03 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
the pheonix is one of the best pos bashing ships in the game. it gets the highest volley amount out of any dread for damage. and they can get some pretty beastly tanks as well.

yeah, was running some fun with some old buddies in low a week back, figured out, the Phoenix is technically where a capital/dread should be. its tanky as all ****, has a super heavy amount of damage, but absolutely no way to apply it to much fo anything. i mean, the phoenix is literally the only capital that actually NEEDS a "support fleet" of anything besides 200 other identical capitals.



I prefer the pheonix over any other dread, only cause well missiles hit everything, in a straight 1 vrs 1 dread vrs dread a pheonix will prolly come out on top, as it has the abilitys to swap damage types easily.



nope, phoenix will lose easily, all the other dread has to do is move their ship and close to 75% of the damage is negated because of the explosion velocity of the missiles
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
Empire of Decadence.
#46 - 2013-11-05 17:54:46 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Did you manage to find the rare CCP Nozh target painter?!?!


Holy frag, that's one ancient reference you've got there!
I wonder how did he end up...

Nah, I was just referring to the remote eventuality of the buffed Phoenix being used as a subcap blapper.

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