These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#461 - 2013-11-05 14:13:38 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
My english isn't that good but shouldn't the thread title be "but have gotten worse" , if no please explain why!



That it should...... But I'd be careful correcting Forum warriors on a self righteous rant.

Still is better than some of the misinformed rants by some forum users. Especially ones that don't seem to post very often.



I play Eve to play Eve, not forum Warrior.



CCP can run their business how they choose, and allow their resellers and affiliates to operate how they choose.


Peeps don't like it?

Well, they have a tool for protesting that too.


Unsub.

Otherwise, it'll end in a few days when the deadline drops, so peeps need to just relax.

Editting in:

Quote:
CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!


Quoting straight off the blink front page.


That's 2 days. Peeps have been waiting how long for SMA's to be fixed? T3's to refit in space?


Really, read quote.

/thread. Nothing else need said.


Just because you think that there is no reason to be upset about CCPs behaviour doesnt mean that others should think the same. If you dont want to protest well then dont post in a protest thread.

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#462 - 2013-11-05 14:25:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.


Remember when CCP employees officially endorsed somer and sang their praises over all the other similar groups, and that they were basically the best "community service" out there

Remember when CCP asked resellers to stop this form of RMT and somers response was to increase their RMTing five fold in order to cash out as much as possible before they got shut down?

Remember when this game wasn't so hopelessly terrible
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#463 - 2013-11-05 14:43:36 UTC
Why isn't summer banned yet?
Why aren't their wallets set to negative?
Why aren't their assets confiscated?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#464 - 2013-11-05 15:37:24 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.


Remember when CCP employees officially endorsed somer and sang their praises over all the other similar groups, and that they were basically the best "community service" out there

Remember when CCP asked resellers to stop this form of RMT and somers response was to increase their RMTing five fold in order to cash out as much as possible before they got shut down?

Remember when this game wasn't so hopelessly terrible

One might imagine that perhaps somer's objective was not to provide a valuable community service... instead it might be something only possible before the 10 day cutoff...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#465 - 2013-11-05 15:39:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.


Remember when CCP employees officially endorsed somer and sang their praises over all the other similar groups, and that they were basically the best "community service" out there

Remember when CCP asked resellers to stop this form of RMT and somers response was to increase their RMTing five fold in order to cash out as much as possible before they got shut down?

Remember when this game wasn't so hopelessly terrible

One might imagine that perhaps somer's objective was not to provide a valuable community service... instead it might be something only possible before the 10 day cutoff...


I cant even ReMoTely imagine what youre trying to imly...

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#466 - 2013-11-05 16:54:22 UTC
Ok, I know this might Sound a Little bit odd...

But actually Somer did a good deep for the comunity.

They ammassed TRILLIONS in assets.

And one of the important things about MMO's is the ability to have a stable economy. That means CCP has to make sure that no more isk enter the market and cause an Inflation.

Somer was nothing more that a "Moneysink" and they have been playing by the book. If you like the rules or not, they allowed you to use affiliate links to make some ISK.

One thing you have to remember though:

- No ISK was created due to this
- Everything was legal while it was done, but i can agree it was borderline ;)
- CCP introduced "RMT" once they decided to sell PLEX/GTC

Now shutting down the Service with a 10 days notice, allows somer to cash out. Yes, 10 days is now also a RULE, since CCP gave somer 10 days to do so...

So what happend now? A new ISK stream is released and will hit the servers (ppl cashing out of somer) and also TONS of PLEX are prodused while doing so.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#467 - 2013-11-05 17:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Baali Tekitsu
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Ok, I know this might Sound a Little bit odd...

But actually Somer did a good deep for the comunity.

They ammassed TRILLIONS in assets.

And one of the important things about MMO's is the ability to have a stable economy. That means CCP has to make sure that no more isk enter the market and cause an Inflation.

Somer was nothing more that a "Moneysink" and they have been playing by the book. If you like the rules or not, they allowed you to use affiliate links to make some ISK.

One thing you have to remember though:

- No ISK was created due to this
- Everything was legal while it was done, but i can agree it was borderline ;)
- CCP introduced "RMT" once they decided to sell PLEX/GTC

Now shutting down the Service with a 10 days notice, allows somer to cash out. Yes, 10 days is now also a RULE, since CCP gave somer 10 days to do so...

So what happend now? A new ISK stream is released and will hit the servers (ppl cashing out of somer) and also TONS of PLEX are prodused while doing so.


While them making a ton of ISK is OK, rl money is not. And CCP did never introduce a mechanic to turn ISK into rl money (thats what SOMER was doing), hence the controversy.
SOMER is not being shut down by the way, theyre just not going to be able to make $$ through the GTC sales kickback system.

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Careby
#468 - 2013-11-05 17:20:32 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
...Is it even remotely plausible that Somer's server costs run to over 50k dollars a year?

That depends on what kind of servers you're talking about. The bikini-clad servers who bring you drinks on the beach can be expensive...
Bangkirai
Brewery Research Ltd
#469 - 2013-11-05 17:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Bangkirai
Hmm, I really dont understand why people say Somer blink is greedy.
They only combined clever in game allowed things with free marketing trade outside.

The only greedy company here is more CCP, that is most likely protecting their gtc relations now, that complained most likely about this.

Lets be honest, the only reasons there is so much trade in gtc card is because CCP is scamming europeans for years now.
We got to pay in euro, the same number as in dollars. (dollar-euro exchange value, ccp keeps ignoring)

That HUGE difference in price is what makes it all worthwhile for third parties to fill in the gap and do the gtc trading.

If we europeans could buy gtc's for a FAIR price, that is depending on the euro-dollar index, instead of being the same number, then you wouldnt have all this nonsense now as well.
Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#470 - 2013-11-05 17:30:37 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Ok, I know this might Sound a Little bit odd...

But actually Somer did a good deep for the comunity.

They ammassed TRILLIONS in assets.

And one of the important things about MMO's is the ability to have a stable economy. That means CCP has to make sure that no more isk enter the market and cause an Inflation.

Somer was nothing more that a "Moneysink" and they have been playing by the book. If you like the rules or not, they allowed you to use affiliate links to make some ISK.

One thing you have to remember though:

- No ISK was created due to this
- Everything was legal while it was done, but i can agree it was borderline ;)
- CCP introduced "RMT" once they decided to sell PLEX/GTC

Now shutting down the Service with a 10 days notice, allows somer to cash out. Yes, 10 days is now also a RULE, since CCP gave somer 10 days to do so...

So what happend now? A new ISK stream is released and will hit the servers (ppl cashing out of somer) and also TONS of PLEX are prodused while doing so.


While them making a ton of ISK is OK, rl money is not. And CCP did never introduce a mechanic to turn ISK into rl money (thats what SOMER was doing), hence the controversy.
SOMER is not being shut down by the way, theyre just not going to be able to make $$ through the GTC sales kickback system.


Didnt CCP introduce the ability to gain credit for GTC (re-)sales? That was a choice that CCP made...
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#471 - 2013-11-05 17:33:27 UTC
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Ok, I know this might Sound a Little bit odd...

But actually Somer did a good deep for the comunity.

They ammassed TRILLIONS in assets.

And one of the important things about MMO's is the ability to have a stable economy. That means CCP has to make sure that no more isk enter the market and cause an Inflation.

Somer was nothing more that a "Moneysink" and they have been playing by the book. If you like the rules or not, they allowed you to use affiliate links to make some ISK.

One thing you have to remember though:

- No ISK was created due to this
- Everything was legal while it was done, but i can agree it was borderline ;)
- CCP introduced "RMT" once they decided to sell PLEX/GTC

Now shutting down the Service with a 10 days notice, allows somer to cash out. Yes, 10 days is now also a RULE, since CCP gave somer 10 days to do so...

So what happend now? A new ISK stream is released and will hit the servers (ppl cashing out of somer) and also TONS of PLEX are prodused while doing so.


While them making a ton of ISK is OK, rl money is not. And CCP did never introduce a mechanic to turn ISK into rl money (thats what SOMER was doing), hence the controversy.
SOMER is not being shut down by the way, theyre just not going to be able to make $$ through the GTC sales kickback system.


Didnt CCP introduce the ability to gain credit for GTC (re-)sales? That was a choice that CCP made...

No they didnt, SOMER did. There are GTC resellers out there but they dont offer any in game advantage for buying them.

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#472 - 2013-11-05 17:58:01 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Thalos Elongus wrote:
[quote=Baali Tekitsu]

Didnt CCP introduce the ability to gain credit for GTC (re-)sales? That was a choice that CCP made...

No they didnt, SOMER did. There are GTC resellers out there but they dont offer any in game advantage for buying them.


Well

- CCP introduced PLEX - And with that put a Price on ISK
- CCP introduced a reseller market for plex
- CCP allowed the reseller to give a portion of the profit to their "Subcontractor"

The only one who was able to do this, was CCP... And by "shutting this hole", they reintroduce trillions of isk back into the sandbox, which will lead to a noticable Inflation (check the plex Prices) since the supply is now increased by a LOT

What somer did, was utilize the GIVEN TIME to the fullest extend... CCP had no need to allow anyone N days to shut their opperations down..
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#473 - 2013-11-05 18:10:35 UTC
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Thalos Elongus wrote:
[quote=Baali Tekitsu]

Didnt CCP introduce the ability to gain credit for GTC (re-)sales? That was a choice that CCP made...

No they didnt, SOMER did. There are GTC resellers out there but they dont offer any in game advantage for buying them.


Well

- CCP introduced PLEX - And with that put a Price on ISK
- CCP introduced a reseller market for plex
- CCP allowed the reseller to give a portion of the profit to their "Subcontractor"

The only one who was able to do this, was CCP... And by "shutting this hole", they reintroduce trillions of isk back into the sandbox, which will lead to a noticable Inflation (check the plex Prices) since the supply is now increased by a LOT

What somer did, was utilize the GIVEN TIME to the fullest extend... CCP had no need to allow anyone N days to shut their opperations down..

CCP did **** up there, however I wouldnt say that they explicitely allowed it. They just didnt see it when they were reviewing SOMER for their community spotlight and all the other stuff as it went under the radar for years now.

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#474 - 2013-11-05 18:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Thalos Elongus wrote:
Ok, I know this might Sound a Little bit odd...

But actually Somer did a good deep for the comunity.

They ammassed TRILLIONS in assets.

And one of the important things about MMO's is the ability to have a stable economy. That means CCP has to make sure that no more isk enter the market and cause an Inflation.

Somer was nothing more that a "Moneysink" and they have been playing by the book. If you like the rules or not, they allowed you to use affiliate links to make some ISK.

One thing you have to remember though:

- No ISK was created due to this
- Everything was legal while it was done, but i can agree it was borderline ;)
- CCP introduced "RMT" once they decided to sell PLEX/GTC

Now shutting down the Service with a 10 days notice, allows somer to cash out. Yes, 10 days is now also a RULE, since CCP gave somer 10 days to do so...

So what happend now? A new ISK stream is released and will hit the servers (ppl cashing out of somer) and also TONS of PLEX are prodused while doing so.

i doubt any regular player caught doing RMT or botting will be granted 10 day to "cash out"....

this is not acceptable, the somers account shall be banned, wallet set negatives and assets locked. this cannot be argued against.

what they are actually doing is just flipping the bird to both CCP and the players, no way this can be allowed in any form, CCP SHALL STEP IN IMMEDIATELY on this and put an end to this madness.

actually this should hav been done the minute they stated it was RMT in their meeting, the only reason i can see is that some CCP crew is involved on way or another, but they'll obviously keep it under the rug.

call me whatever you want, but CCP's behaviour from the start on this subject is way more than fishy....
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#475 - 2013-11-05 19:44:43 UTC
Thalos Elongus wrote:
- CCP introduced PLEX - And with that reduced the Price on ISK


Fixed that for you. Prior to PLEX, there was already a price on ISK. There was quite a bit of illegal RMT going on, which put a higher price on ISK. PLEX was introduced in part as a way to reduce and control the market value of ISK, and by so doing, undercut some of the RMT botting operations.

Of course, it was also introduced so CCP could get a good chunk of the money being exchanged for RMT, but I can't really fault them for that. If someone is going to make money off of virtual goods, it may as well be the company that actually owns the rights to those goods.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#476 - 2013-11-05 21:20:23 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Just because you think that there is no reason to be upset about CCPs behaviour doesnt mean that others should think the same. If you dont want to protest well then dont post in a protest thread.



Did you also think the world was going to end on December 21st, 2012?




Stop making a mountain out of a molehill which has already been stepped on.



You're crying about 'Somer is so bad' but they only set up a way to cover their server costs. Players are the ones who bought way in excess and may or may not have created more 'off the top' cashflow than the servers cost.


Somer isn't the evil here. CCP isn't the evil here. There was a perfect storm of scenarios, which allowed for a potentiality. I could say the same of many other things.


CCP isn't your business. You don't get to decide how they run it. And your 'protest' is pointless, since it has already been addressed.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Frying Doom
#477 - 2013-11-05 21:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Kenrailae wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Just because you think that there is no reason to be upset about CCPs behaviour doesnt mean that others should think the same. If you dont want to protest well then dont post in a protest thread.



Did you also think the world was going to end on December 21st, 2012?




Stop making a mountain out of a molehill which has already been stepped on.



You're crying about 'Somer is so bad' but they only set up a way to cover their server costs. Players are the ones who bought way in excess and may or may not have created more 'off the top' cashflow than the servers cost.


Somer isn't the evil here. CCP isn't the evil here. There was a perfect storm of scenarios, which allowed for a potentiality. I could say the same of many other things.


CCP isn't your business. You don't get to decide how they run it. And your 'protest' is pointless, since it has already been addressed.


So CCP has enforced its EULA?

As to may or may not have created more 'off the top' cashflow than the servers cost. The servers could not possibly even be $5000 a year given the tiny number of users it receives. Hell they would be unlikely to cost $3000 a year.

As to CCP not being our business and protests are pointless. Please tell that to BP, Exon, All the Tobacco companies and hell even McDonalds.

And as you believe our protesting is pointless, what does that make your protesting about protesting? So if you feel like protesting about protesting, maybe you should contact the CSM, if you can find them.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#478 - 2013-11-05 21:51:50 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:


Did you also think the world was going to end on December 21st, 2012?


Oh some unrelated to the topic and unbacked allegations, how cute, makes your bs sound more convincing eh?


Kenrailae wrote:

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill which has already been stepped on.



You're crying about 'Somer is so bad' but they only set up a way to cover their server costs. Players are the ones who bought way in excess and may or may not have created more 'off the top' cashflow than the servers cost.

This has been proven so wrong so often that I wont even bother thinking about a new way to answer this


Kenrailae wrote:


CCP isn't your business. You don't get to decide how they run it. And your 'protest' is pointless, since it has already been addressed.



And you assume youre in the position to tell me whats my business and what isnt? You must be incredibly full of yourself.
I dont consider the question to be "adressed" as long as nobody bothers to speak up to the community.



RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Daquaris
Aegis Victorium
The Initiative.
#479 - 2013-11-05 22:47:00 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:


Did you also think the world was going to end on December 21st, 2012?


Oh some unrelated to the topic and unbacked allegations, how cute, makes your bs sound more convincing eh?


Kenrailae wrote:

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill which has already been stepped on.



You're crying about 'Somer is so bad' but they only set up a way to cover their server costs. Players are the ones who bought way in excess and may or may not have created more 'off the top' cashflow than the servers cost.

This has been proven so wrong so often that I wont even bother thinking about a new way to answer this


Kenrailae wrote:


CCP isn't your business. You don't get to decide how they run it. And your 'protest' is pointless, since it has already been addressed.



And you assume youre in the position to tell me whats my business and what isnt? You must be incredibly full of yourself.
I dont consider the question to be "adressed" as long as nobody bothers to speak up to the community.





At this point, it's BARELY acknowledged - let alone addressed.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2013-11-05 23:08:23 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
And you assume youre in the position to tell me whats my business and what isnt? You must be incredibly full of yourself.
I dont consider the question to be "adressed" as long as nobody bothers to speak up to the community.




Nah mate, Just trying to help you out. Reduce your stress level, help you live a long, full life. Crying over space pixels isn't the way bro.



All in all, you're the party here who has to make yourself listened to, Acknowledged. CCP has taken action. Somer has given every indication of complying.



There is nothing else to it. Action is being taken, and will be complied with. What are you trying to achieve?


Have fun Bro, Good luck with reducing that stress level!

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal