Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You really think 5 sentries will be the norm for small scale PvP? Are you crazy? You see a drone cruiser for pvp every once in a while, but rarely, and that's because all you have to do is kill their drones, or get under their sentries and they have little to no defense. the Stratios is no different, you can launch your sentries before you lock and they might attack your target but once your target gets under your sentries or get's their speed up, well you are screwed. That's why you don't see Gilas or Ishtar too much doing a lot of pvp, you will see them but rarely. There is nothing OP about the Stratios, and I'm with others, I could care less about the lasers or not, I'll probably end up putting projectiles on usually if it keeps it's gun slots, for pvp that is. I think it should get 5 sentries/heavy drones back, it still won't be OP in PvP. Usually you will be using med or scout for PvP anyway, you could launch heavies against a BS, but I don't think the Stratios will last long enough for them to do much to it. You could launch sentries from range, but then you will have a hard time holding your target, and if you put too many drone modules, then you will hurt your tank and the ships ability. And the cost of the ship will turn a good amount of people away from it too, so I don't think you will see a whole lot of them after the first few months for much more then exploring and PvE, just isn't cost effective for PvP, but I could be wrong. When I tested the Stratios on SiSi, and watched others test it, I saw/found out it help up ok against faction cruiser and some T2 cruisers, anything larger and it lost, and even against 2 or 3 AFs or AFs and faction frigates, it couldn't hold out. The frigates just focused on the drones first and then took out the Stratios. I saw some good fits that took on some good ships and so on but like everything in EVE, all someone had to do to beat even the best Stratios fits was fine it's weakness. But for exploring and PvE, if it gets 5 sentries back it will be a good ship for that. PvP it will be good for cloak roams, and for cynos, like all covert ships are. Really want to worry, try to get away from an interceptor after the patch haha.

Which is not a bad thing, but considering they where first put forward as a combat capable ship for sites up to 6/10 its a bit of a let down to find they only do cans.

Nope haha

Of course they don't, Capacitor use on Laser turrets is 'fine' (Despite the fact they saw on the BS level that there was a massive issue with capacitor bonus on all the BS, removed it from all BS (Navy Geddon was replaced at crowd whining) and dropped the overall cap use of large laser turrets significantly (Though it is still significantly more than Hybrids). The entire community is wrong on the cap issues of lasers. Especially combined with active armour tank, because active armour tank is so cap efficient already.

Good luck running relic/data sites in null without a virus strength bonus.

The Stratios is really going to struggle to find a niche, the Astero will do 3/10s and will be better suited for hacking due to its agility and fast align time.
If they do come out with a BS SOE ship it will take 5/10s and up leaving the poor Stratios for 4/10 sites and a couple unrated complexes.

Unfortunately from what I experienced, DPS was only a small problem for low sec unrated sites and only an issue in some 6/10 sites, the problem is more so the tank, with only 5 low slots you are put into a hard position in the gank vs tank area.

Going by that i could aswell get a hauler, fit 1-2 guns and shield tank it with ancillery shield boosters and go PVP in FW with it. Sure you can do it but if it is a smart choice is a different story.

Well, to be fair, it is fantasy.

Also, I have to say, I think these designs are wonderful, and worlds (WORLDS!) better than a goodly number of ships already in the game. These vessels both look mean, but simultaneously sleek and efficient. They look like warships.

Such a pretty ship, ruined by EFT warriors :(

But then you have nerfed medium and light drones.

The issue is not so much the damage of the drones, as the ability of EFT warriors to plug shiny glass cannon fits in and imagine the end of the world,

and then scream loudly, which only wakes the trolls.

The problem is when CCP tries to satisfy everyone,all that happens is that they get to give us a watered down version of their dream.

I believe that they should listen to comments that point out things they might have missed, or good improvements.

They should ignore EVERYTHING that is said regarding balance,and stick with their vision.


IF they mess up then the player community can criticise,and things can be dealt with.

At least let us have a chance to try something good, rather than a bland, grey,neutral, world.

The problem is, when you try to be inclusive,and account for everyones views, you are also including the ignorant the stupid, the destructive and the trolling personalities views. And they outnumber the thoughtful and insightful by a large number.

That cannot end well

Unfortunately it looks like the Trolls and EFT warriors may have killed any excitement and hope that was left in these ships.

CCP go back to your vision.

Make the ship what you dreamed.

Stand up for your beliefs.