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Are the talocans what the sleepers tried to keep inside wormhole space?
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Sarah Gallow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-05 05:51:06 UTC
Hi,

I've been lurking around in wormhole space, and tried to understand whats going on there. I've still plenty of stuff to read about all this, but I noticed something that I never found mentioned anywhere: all the 'quarantine sites' in wormhole space are containing some talocan stuff.

Is it something that I missed that could explain it otherwise than 'the sleepers were keeping the talocans to get out' ?
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#2 - 2013-11-05 18:20:20 UTC
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#3 - 2013-11-07 18:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I am of the mind that the Talocan and Sleepers are the same society, Jovian. The Talocan being the earliest representation of this society, the Sleepers the culmination of it.

If this is true, it may be simply, in the case of the Talocan, that they didn't immediately recognize the true nature of the disease and enacted measures to contain it. The fact that the Sleepers never destroyed the Talocan structures would seem to indicate they feel no personal threat from the sites. Perhaps they even entertain a form of nostalgia for them.

The Jovian disease causes melancholy and depression so deep in the Jove that they simply stop living, very much like alzheimer's in our contemporary society. The message burst you recieve in the Quarantine Site would seem to support this, as the message presents a sense of desperation and fatalistic acceptance of the hopelessness the sender is experiencing.

When the Jove first tried to suppress the disease, it is said they just up and left, taking the healthy unaffected members of their society and abandoning the rest. Most likely quarantining them from the healthy portion of the society.

The Mirror seems to present a triage methodology, developed through a deeper understanding of the disease, where those affected are put into stasis and uploaded into the Construct, the solution suggested by the Enheduanni. One which the Jovians didn't wholeheartedly agree with. It is possible this happened when there was a schism in the philisophical outlook of the Jovians, giving rise to Ior Labron and the Society of Conscious Thought.

It is said that the founder of the Society was a "philanthropist", something that was almost unheard of in Jovian psychology at the time. The early Jovians were some cold, callous fish...

The quarantine, again, in my mind, is meant to keep us out. To keep us from exploring these examples of early Jovian technology, and perhaps gleaning insight into who these "enigmatic" people were..

If you look at the Gnosis, the "conning tower" is eerily reminiscent of the observation towers present at Talocan stations. As well, the Gnosis is also similar to the Oruze Osobnyk structures.. Revelations have surfaced that indicate the Jove and Sleepers share a common ancestry.. I would postulate that the Talocan are that common ancestor.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2013-11-08 05:31:35 UTC
I think you would all really like templar one Big smile

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#5 - 2013-11-08 12:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Nah, seen too many reviews that suggest I wouldn't.. Unless it's free, of course.. Want to send me your copy? Blink

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-11-09 02:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Alot of people don't like my interpretation of things, but, how did the Jove manage to recover so quickly from the collapse of interstellar society? Most likely because they were a migrant culture. One that NEVER abandoned it's spacebound existence, at least until much later in history. One that didn't rely on the gates it created as it's primary method of travel.

How might they have subsisted in those early centuries? Pirating? Planetary raids? Might that not be a history that they would rather keep on the down low? It is clear that the wormhole network connects to every system in New Eden.

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Exchange Depot: Judging from the wreckage inside, the depot was either used for imprisonment or cultural exchange; eerily, there seems to be very little difference between the two. Whatever its purpose, this structure is rather prevalent among the outposts, displaying its importance in Talocan society.


Were they Resurrection Men of a sort?

Now, if later in history, these early Jovians did settle down in their own region of space, and adopted a new methodology, might not some have abandoned the spacing technology that brought it to planetfall? Especially if that were a subsistence only existence? Or one in which they were low caste citizens? Or perhaps their interests simply evolved into something else.

Let us further contemplate the possibility that they early on saw a chance to rid themselves of a tyrannical overlord that kept them in check through control of the very fuel source that allowed them their freedom? And further, allowed them to wrest control of this fuel from the tyrant. Perhaps by destroying a capital system that had been installed in New Eden by the overlords.

Perhaps they formed an alliance with another culture to achieve this. Not having read Templar One, or the Empyrean Age, I find myself at a slight disadvantage here. The Sleepers are but one caste, or bloodline of the early Jovians. Their interests lay in computer sciences, the nerds of Jovian society, if you will. I know many academia in our own contemporary world that couldn't fix their own car if their life depended on it. Or even figure out how to saddle and ride a horse, for that matter.

They might later decide they need to rediscover this technology. Did the Jove become a more sedentary people after their arrival in Heaven? Am I WAY off base here? Anyone care to bite? I am still trying to catch up after a long break from Eve. I have a bunch of new stuff to examine yet.

Also, consider this, why Terran Artifacts in the Mirror? This one continues to bug me.. Why emphasis on a particular planet in an interstellar society composed of many star systems? One that is supposedly lost to legend by the majority of humanity. I can't recall one other instance of anyone referring to storied Terra. The Jove have an odd vocabulary, Terran can also mean planetary... Do either of the novels mention Terra, Sol or Earth?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.