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Can you play it without alts?

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Kate stark
#21 - 2013-11-04 19:34:21 UTC
do i need a second account? no.
does my quality of life become CONSIDERABLY easier with a second account? hell yes.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#22 - 2013-11-04 19:36:54 UTC
good point on the distinction between multiboxing and having alts. There are things you want alts for that don't really qualify as multiboxing, and there are times you want to multibox an alt in a way that is not attention-intensive.

Mining - multiboxing practically required unless using a solo miner as an afk or low-attention activity. As a solo miner you're completely reliant on friendly boosts, hauling, etc to be even remotely effective.

Missions - Don't need alts at all

Trading - alts not required. You can make purchases and market checks with same-account alts and this requires no skill training. If you want an account doing some hauling while you do station trades thats more of a luxury than a necessity.

Nullsec ratting - alts not required

Null/low explo (combat sites) - with good skills, proper ship selection, and a bit of research, most combat exploration sites are soloable without alts. Multiboxing an alt for scanning or scouting is very nice, but far from a necessity if you're in sov space. IMO dual account training, the introduction of the stratios, and the introduction of mobile refitting structures is a buff to true solo in this field.

null/low explo (profession sites) - alts provide very little here

WH life - alts are very useful for just about anything, be it scouting, hauling, probing, keeping eyes on a hole, fueling towers, doing PI, assisting in combat via multiboxing, or doing empire stuff. That said an alt doesn't seem strictly necessary if you're in an established corp or going daytripping with friends. Although in the former case you would expect many people to have an use alts.

PI - Alts are necessary to scale up production. They also provide the full benefit with low SP investment, however all of this can be done without multiboxing, and alts can be fully leveraged without a second account. Also dual/triple character training can be well used here.

t1, t2, manufacturing - needs alts to scale up or to fully utilize the capacity of a pos. Alts are generally encouraged as most of the time you have nothing to gain by partnering with other people. Much of the time however you only REALLY need alts for the extra blueprint copy slots or manufacturing slots, meaning that this can be well handled with a few plex for dual/triple character training. Multiboxing not required.

PVP - I know its a bit wrong to list multiple varieties of PVE activities and then lump all PVP into one thing, but whatever. For PVP you have a few categories of alt usage. You've got noob scouts that sit on chokepoints that can be logged in for a quick check for gatecamps. You have scouts in ceptors, recons, or covops that someone might multibox when hunting war targets, scouting for a fleet, shadowing an enemy, or positioning for a cyno or tackle (or providing off grid boosting). Lastly you've got people that will multibox ships that require attention in combat (everything from ye olde falcon alte to dual boxing battleships and logi). By and large though if you're going out with a gang or a fleet and looking for fights, most people are going to be focusing only on their one account. In otherwords, alts not required.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#23 - 2013-11-04 19:39:30 UTC
Hm....it is much better to have an alt in say hek to do stuff you need to do there than travel half new Eden so you can do the same thing..that is one point of view...

Juggling jump clones is much easier with moar alts than waiting one to run its course

Splitting sec stats hit among alts also is benefit if you pew pew,scouting stuff like that are benefit of heaving more chars without rly multiboxing...

Multiboxing it self IMO is just a shore of click fest and eye strain rather than huge advantage and I get bored fast or get tired depend of situation.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Na Und
Galactronics
#24 - 2013-11-04 19:46:16 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can play without alts, but the longer you play, the more you will want to be able to do. It isn't essential though.

Example: I stopped training one character to train a lab alt for 7 months, so now I have an additional 10 slots for research and manufacturing.


I've always meant to ask: so this is my alt . . . I'd love to have her train some research skills to generate some passive income. But don't I still have to grind missions to get standings (access to higher-level research agents)?

What's the point of training combat skills on an alt that never leaves station?
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#25 - 2013-11-04 20:13:46 UTC
Batelle wrote:
good point on the distinction between multiboxing and having alts. There are things you want alts for that don't really qualify as multiboxing, and there are times you want to multibox an alt in a way that is not attention-intensive.

Mining - multiboxing practically required unless using a solo miner as an afk or low-attention activity. As a solo miner you're completely reliant on friendly boosts, hauling, etc to be even remotely effective.

Missions - Don't need alts at all

Trading - alts not required. You can make purchases and market checks with same-account alts and this requires no skill training. If you want an account doing some hauling while you do station trades thats more of a luxury than a necessity.

Nullsec ratting - alts not required

Null/low explo (combat sites) - with good skills, proper ship selection, and a bit of research, most combat exploration sites are soloable without alts. Multiboxing an alt for scanning or scouting is very nice, but far from a necessity if you're in sov space. IMO dual account training, the introduction of the stratios, and the introduction of mobile refitting structures is a buff to true solo in this field.

null/low explo (profession sites) - alts provide very little here

WH life - alts are very useful for just about anything, be it scouting, hauling, probing, keeping eyes on a hole, fueling towers, doing PI, assisting in combat via multiboxing, or doing empire stuff. That said an alt doesn't seem strictly necessary if you're in an established corp or going daytripping with friends. Although in the former case you would expect many people to have an use alts.

PI - Alts are necessary to scale up production. They also provide the full benefit with low SP investment, however all of this can be done without multiboxing, and alts can be fully leveraged without a second account. Also dual/triple character training can be well used here.

t1, t2, manufacturing - needs alts to scale up or to fully utilize the capacity of a pos. Alts are generally encouraged as most of the time you have nothing to gain by partnering with other people. Much of the time however you only REALLY need alts for the extra blueprint copy slots or manufacturing slots, meaning that this can be well handled with a few plex for dual/triple character training. Multiboxing not required.

PVP - I know its a bit wrong to list multiple varieties of PVE activities and then lump all PVP into one thing, but whatever. For PVP you have a few categories of alt usage. You've got noob scouts that sit on chokepoints that can be logged in for a quick check for gatecamps. You have scouts in ceptors, recons, or covops that someone might multibox when hunting war targets, scouting for a fleet, shadowing an enemy, or positioning for a cyno or tackle (or providing off grid boosting). Lastly you've got people that will multibox ships that require attention in combat (everything from ye olde falcon alte to dual boxing battleships and logi). By and large though if you're going out with a gang or a fleet and looking for fights, most people are going to be focusing only on their one account. In otherwords, alts not required.


This was a very informative and helpful post. Thank you!

So what you're saying is that I can set up a second character and get access to an additional 6 planets for PI and make massive amounts of money. IE, each planet makes 3.5 million per day, and with 6 that's 20 million, but with a second character that's 40 million, which is enough to dual-train with a PLEX after one month. Although I'll have to train up to Industrial and train the PI skills first.

I'm starting to see where these giant numbers of daily income might be coming from.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-11-04 20:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
one day I will solo fly a titan and doomsday gooncarriers in the cold of the night, nothing more needed...

its a solo game like RL, although some like to pretend "teamplay" to use others for their advantage...

better fly solo out there, fly alone and die alone, thats the only spirit
To Be Me
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-11-04 20:20:44 UTC
oh hell no

thumbs up if you like :))))

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#28 - 2013-11-04 20:25:18 UTC
To Be Me wrote:
oh hell no


Counterexample to the helpful post.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-11-04 20:43:13 UTC
Serptimis wrote:
CCP would rather you didn't.



CCP can suck on those balls deep.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#30 - 2013-11-04 20:46:31 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:

This was a very informative and helpful post. Thank you!

So what you're saying is that I can set up a second character and get access to an additional 6 planets for PI and make massive amounts of money. IE, each planet makes 3.5 million per day, and with 6 that's 20 million, but with a second character that's 40 million, which is enough to dual-train with a PLEX after one month. Although I'll have to train up to Industrial and train the PI skills first.

I'm starting to see where these giant numbers of daily income might be coming from.


regarding PI, any time your profit numbers are based on the p1 or p2 reactors being fed at 100% efficiency from ECUs, i would advise slashing your projected earnings to about 80%.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#31 - 2013-11-04 21:14:19 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:

This was a very informative and helpful post. Thank you!

So what you're saying is that I can set up a second character and get access to an additional 6 planets for PI and make massive amounts of money. IE, each planet makes 3.5 million per day, and with 6 that's 20 million, but with a second character that's 40 million, which is enough to dual-train with a PLEX after one month. Although I'll have to train up to Industrial and train the PI skills first.

I'm starting to see where these giant numbers of daily income might be coming from.


regarding PI, any time your profit numbers are based on the p1 or p2 reactors being fed at 100% efficiency from ECUs, i would advise slashing your projected earnings to about 80%.


I'm hi-sec. Extracting would be ridiculously bad for me, so I hear.
Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters
Miners Inn University
#32 - 2013-11-04 21:43:52 UTC
A very quick/honest answer to this question would be no, i could not play this game without the ability to have alts, its all part of the whole experience, in my opinion.
Of course i'm quite capable of playing solo, but i wouldn't the game nowhere near as much.

Imagine eve without alts? The online population would shrink at least 50% overnight.

Jita 4/4, the heart and soul of New Eden.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#33 - 2013-11-04 21:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Can't see myself ever playing without multiple accounts - some roles just need too timely and hands on interaction with other roles to delegate it to someone else unless they play as often and in a similiar style to yourself. i.e. moving caps around for the most part I'd only ever jump to my own cyno alts*, scout with my own alt, etc.



* Bit different when doing stuff as a corp but in general.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#34 - 2013-11-04 21:50:54 UTC
Of course you can play without alts, OP.

Go to www.minerbumping.com and learn about the Code.

Alts promote bot-aspirancy in New Eden, and you, OP, can help change all of that.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#35 - 2013-11-04 21:57:45 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:

This was a very informative and helpful post. Thank you!

So what you're saying is that I can set up a second character and get access to an additional 6 planets for PI and make massive amounts of money. IE, each planet makes 3.5 million per day, and with 6 that's 20 million, but with a second character that's 40 million, which is enough to dual-train with a PLEX after one month. Although I'll have to train up to Industrial and train the PI skills first.

I'm starting to see where these giant numbers of daily income might be coming from.


regarding PI, any time your profit numbers are based on the p1 or p2 reactors being fed at 100% efficiency from ECUs, i would advise slashing your projected earnings to about 80%.


I'm hi-sec. Extracting would be ridiculously bad for me, so I hear.


lol maybe I should check out what factories you're running. I'm using Gevlon's approach to hisec PI of "buy the rare p1, import and build p2 on the planet that makes the cheap p1."

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Impala59
Amazing Super Slackers
#36 - 2013-11-04 22:18:24 UTC
Eve without a cyno alt or 3 would be difficult.
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-04 23:00:28 UTC
Can you play with one account? Yes

Can you have the same level of efficiency towards ISK generation and multiple roleplay with one account compared to multiple accounts if you know what you are doing? No ******* way


Do you care much about efficiency or not while playing EVE?
Just Lilly
#38 - 2013-11-04 23:29:04 UTC
Without alts? Probably

Without multiboxing, yes
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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#39 - 2013-11-04 23:33:41 UTC
Well I'm running 6 Accounts atm.


Could I use 1? Sure But I'd be limited... Very Limited...

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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#40 - 2013-11-04 23:43:31 UTC
The only kind of alts I use are actual "Alternate Characters". As in characters who have nothing to do with eachother and often are on completely different sides of the universe/galaxy (if we're considering wormholes).
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