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[Rubicon] Sisters of EVE faction ships

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2481 - 2013-11-04 15:59:15 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Sorry for being late on this, But Damm taking out 25 Drone Bandwith is a HUGE NERF.

Will it be able to do 6/10 plexes now?

I would suggest remove 2 Gun hardpoints and return that 5th drone back.



That woudl defeat the purpose of nerfign it to PVP. Because peopel will simply use NEUTS then in PVP and the ship wil remain overpowered for PVP.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2482 - 2013-11-04 16:00:19 UTC
Edam Neadenil wrote:
Naszar wrote:
Sir Spottington wrote:
...drop the guns and just have it as a dedicated drone boat with the 5th drone back. A preference more than a criticism really.


I agree...


+1

The drone changes are significant.

As a dedicated drone user with no gun or missile skills at all the SOE cruisers looked interesting. At the moment the only truly great DRONE ONLY boats are the Domi and Ishtar and a covert ops/full bandwidth drone ship looked interesting.

Unfortunately with the current state of the game - whilst specializing in a single turret type is usually viable - specializing in just Drones (exception being mission Domis) is generally not. This is made more annoying by the self righteous turret fans who always chime in when you mention this issue with "just get blasters" or "just train lasers" :D

Admittedly the changes to turret T2 skills in Rubicon will make this cross-training easier but that is not the point.

Anyway ... looks like I might be cashing the Sisters LP I have built up recently instead of spending it on SOE ships :D No great loss anyway they looked to shiney and gankable :D



Because drones are SECONDARY weapon system of 2 races and tertiary to other 2.

You should train properly and not complain on the ships.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2483 - 2013-11-04 16:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Just been trying the Astero on Sisi.
30 second cloak reactivation delay is really nasty.
doesn't really achieve anything more than making travel a pain in the ass.
While I realize that instant might be a bit much, does It really need to be hammered so hard?Sad

The more I test, I am beginning to think that these ships are proving to be .... Disappointing.


Standard recloaking delay. If the 30sec reactivation time is too much, you may want to consider using your cloak more efficiently.

First people complain about the virus strength. Then they complain about the drones. Then they complain about the nerfed drones. Then they complain that the calibration is too low and these ships need an exception made. Then they complain that the recloaking delay is too long.

It's a pirate ship, not a dev ship. Just saying.


oooh I never thought to use my cloak efficiently.

Thank you that was really helpful and will help CCP balance the ship no end!

They should employ you immediately.

sarcasm off

So You are contending that a Pirate ship should have the very worst implementation of a covert ops cloak?.... Interesting viewpoint.

Possibly you might explain Why an exploration rig has 200 calibration? And whether it is a good idea to be set to not allow 2 T1 rigs to be fitted?
Or possibly CCP might be better equipped to decide for us?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2484 - 2013-11-04 16:20:57 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Sorry for being late on this, But Damm taking out 25 Drone Bandwith is a HUGE NERF.

Will it be able to do 6/10 plexes now?


My numbers from about 40 pages back say tentatively yes. With perfect skills you might even be able to pull the Sansha 6. Blood/Angel/Guristas won't be a problem. No way in hell you're running a Serpentis in this thing solo.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#2485 - 2013-11-04 17:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Just been trying the Astero on Sisi.
30 second cloak reactivation delay is really nasty.
doesn't really achieve anything more than making travel a pain in the ass.
While I realize that instant might be a bit much, does It really need to be hammered so hard?Sad

The more I test, I am beginning to think that these ships are proving to be .... Disappointing.


Standard recloaking delay. If the 30sec reactivation time is too much, you may want to consider using your cloak more efficiently.

First people complain about the virus strength. Then they complain about the drones. Then they complain about the nerfed drones. Then they complain that the calibration is too low and these ships need an exception made. Then they complain that the recloaking delay is too long.

It's a pirate ship, not a dev ship. Just saying.


oooh I never thought to use my cloak efficiently.

Thank you that was really helpful and will help CCP balance the ship no end!

They should employ you immediately.

sarcasm off

So You are contending that a Pirate ship should have the very worst implementation of a covert ops cloak?.... Interesting viewpoint.

Possibly you might explain Why an exploration rig has 200 calibration? And whether it is a good idea to be set to not allow 2 T1 rigs to be fitted?
Or possibly CCP might be better equipped to decide for us?

Its almost like they don't want it to stomp through three-four different classes of ship and obsolete them all.

GOOD LORD.

(still needs to drop the lasers for the fifth drone mind P)

Travelling at the speed of love.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#2486 - 2013-11-04 18:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nam Dnilb
Zhilia Mann wrote:
The Sinister wrote:
Sorry for being late on this, But Damm taking out 25 Drone Bandwith is a HUGE NERF.

Will it be able to do 6/10 plexes now?


My numbers from about 40 pages back say tentatively yes. With perfect skills you might even be able to pull the Sansha 6. Blood/Angel/Guristas won't be a problem. No way in hell you're running a Serpentis in this thing solo.


I scanned on Sisi yesterday while watching TV and found the War supply complex. I ran it today while waiting for the mass test to start. MY verdict is I am not going to bother with this ship for solo PvE.

It is lacking in damage and more importantly damage projection and I am not even sure I'd use it with a fifth drone. As a sig tanking brawler with heavies, staying close to drones so you can scoop, it kinda works, but it's a huge micro management hassle and a Sacrilege is just as effective without all that. Sentry sniping lacks damage on the other hand, the guns don't reach far enough to support the DPS. I could barely break the overseer in the third pocket with sentries!

Speaking of overseers, the one in the final pocket, Sotomer or whatever his name is. I had to re-fit, removing most of my tank to fit more DDA and 4x HPL with conflag. He still wouldn't die to sentries, but a flight of heavies did it.

Drive these into to DEDs to kill plexrunners, not be the plexrunner yourself, if you insist on PvE use stick to 5/10 and below or bring a group of pilots.

*edit*: The ship really could use 10 more CPU, tbh.

Can a depot be launched in Deadspace, I wonder?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2487 - 2013-11-04 19:08:23 UTC
My experiences with the Stratios have not been good either, it was unable to complete a Serpentis Annex, it had trouble with a Serpentis Minor Annex but you may be able to complete it with faction/deadspace mods.
I did not find an Serpentis Outpost but I did find a Serpentis Provisional Outpost and am confident the Astero can complete that.
It can clear the first room of a Serpentis Logistical Outpost, but was all but destroyed as soon as it entered the second room (warped out with about 12% structure)

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#2488 - 2013-11-04 19:21:49 UTC
The Cruiser and Frigate both aren't OP at all, even with being able to warp cloaked and sneak up on people. You can't lock right away, and as I tested it, usually they lock you before you do them. I say give the Cruiser the full five sentries and heavy drones. For sneaking up on targets sentries and heavies really won't work too well. I mean unless you plan to sneak up on a battleship and launch heavies, and by the way then you are dead anyway. You could sneak up and at range launch sentries and use beams but the moment they see all that they will probably warp off before you can lock and disruptor them. So give them their full 5 back to help with exploring and PvP, it won't effect them much in PvP. These ships can't light cynos, they can go through, but if you do that they will have SBs and Recons too so using big drones then really isn't the greatest idea either unless you jump on something really big.

I do think the cruiser doesn't need the laser bonus, but I see why it's being used. If you give the bonus the frigate has to the cruiser, then i do think the cruiser could be OP. I think it does need a different bonus, maybe something for exploring or something.

The frigate is fine as it is, it really doesn't need any changes at all.

Oh yea and give us the battleship verison like ALL other pirate factions have and I do think it shouldn't clost more from the LP store either.

Now just need a Min/Cald pirate faction (Missiles, shields, kinda fast like min) and we got them all covered.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2489 - 2013-11-04 19:47:08 UTC
The Cruiser is still overpowered like hell, reduce the CPU.

The Tears Must Flow
The Sinister
Interbellum
#2490 - 2013-11-04 19:47:58 UTC
Bah Fail efforts on part of CCP in this SOE cruiser.

Why not nerf it even more and take the covert cloak OFF. Cause from what ive seen the main complaint is " Oh noes we cant have a ship covert cloak capable doing 600 dps"

Well take the cloak OFF and give that 5th drone back. and let the trolls eat their own ****.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#2491 - 2013-11-04 19:58:54 UTC
The cruiser isn't OP at all, I tested it to see. Go back and see. It couldn't beat a HAC or BC, got a couple faction cruisers, but I also think I wouldn't have beat the Cynabal if it was fit with ASBs. Neither ships is OP at all, and really before they got nerfed because of the EFT warriors I don't think they were at all then.
Kalissis
#2492 - 2013-11-04 20:00:45 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
The Cruiser is still overpowered like hell, reduce the CPU.


Its not! How is it OP?! Explain please after trolling.
Princess Maldiva
Krul Corp
#2493 - 2013-11-04 20:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Maldiva
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Why peopel keep forgettign thes ethigns can warp cloaked. You cannto compare an ishtar to them! Ishtar cannot to this, that is the most powerful capability in game, sans jump bridging other ships.


The Stratios is designed for exploration. What is the point in it if it is inferior to other ships in this role? I fit a cloak/mwd on the Ishtar too. No, I can't warp cloaked but it means I have never died to a gatecamp in it. There's not much point having a covert cloak which lets you explore the universe, if you can't actually do anything once you get there!
Princess Maldiva
Krul Corp
#2494 - 2013-11-04 20:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Maldiva
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Kalissis
#2495 - 2013-11-04 20:13:37 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Bah Fail efforts on part of CCP in this SOE cruiser.

Why not nerf it even more and take the covert cloak OFF. Cause from what ive seen the main complaint is " Oh noes we cant have a ship covert cloak capable doing 600 dps"

Well take the cloak OFF and give that 5th drone back. and let the trolls eat their own ****.



This ships suppose to be able to do explorations "behind the enemy lines" (or so it seems), so it should be able to use blops jump bridges, it is not OP in that sense. Currently it is not OP in any sense, its nerfed to hell and will be way to expensive anyway (300Mil+ for hull only).

In BLOP fleets it will suck except if you fight smaller gangs like cruisers and below (but again the cost factor is nearly 10x as much), AND there is no freaking way of getting fast in kill somethng fast and getting fast out (see cloak delay but also no "huge" instant damage like bombers for example!!! REMEMBER: no reps in BLOP fleets so no prolonged fights anyway compared to any conventional fleets).

So in conclusion, CCP please look at the SOE Cruiser again, currently it just sucks in BLOPs PVP and even more so in PVE.
Naszar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2496 - 2013-11-04 20:20:24 UTC
Maybe splitting drone bonuses?

Bandwidth back to 125 Mbit/sec

7.5% drone damage for light, medium, heavy
10% sentry damage
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2497 - 2013-11-04 20:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Naszar wrote:
Maybe splitting drone bonuses?

Bandwidth back to 125 Mbit/sec

7.5% drone damage for light, medium, heavy
10% sentry damage


People crying about sentries were the whole reason the drone bandwidth got nerfed.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2498 - 2013-11-04 20:21:40 UTC
CCP, don't listen to the themeparker carebears, they are only happy when powercreep is introduced in games via overpowered stuff. Nerf the SoE Cruiser.

The Tears Must Flow
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2499 - 2013-11-04 20:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Vaju Enki wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the themeparker carebears, they are only happy when powercreep is introduced in games via overpowered stuff. Nerf the SoE Cruiser.


Do you ever post anything that isn't trolling? Are you even capable of that?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2500 - 2013-11-04 20:24:49 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the themeparker carebears, they are only happy when powercreep is introduced in games via overpowered stuff. Nerf the SoE Cruiser.


Do you ever post anything that isn't trolling? Are you even capable of that?


If someone doesn't agree with me, they must be trolling.

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