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[Proposal] Carrier Revamp.
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D3N3R0TH
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-17 23:09:32 UTC
Im sure its been said before but im going to bring it up again.

- Regular Carriers should be given the bandwidth to be able to field 5 Figterbombers. This could be done by a class buff getting a reduction to the bandwidth required OR simply just increasing the bandwidth allowance. To balance this a Carrier should ONLY be able to carry a max of 5 figterbombers in their drone bay, so unlike a super carrier fielding 20, they cant pour wave after wave of good DPS. So a theoretical carrier hanger would look like so:

: 5 Fighter Bombers
: 13 Fighters
+ the regular assortment of other drones/sentry/logistics


- Ship Scales on Regular carriers need to be fixed. If a SuperCarrier is theoretically too big according the CCP to dock in a station then why a carrier ( which is the same size as a large battleship ) can fit a battleship + an assortment of other ships in its hanger. Increase the model scale by 50% at least.

On top of the above you have another 90,000 m3 for drone space ... problem physics? Its a capital ship .... it shouldn’t be the same size and a Machariel !!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny enough out of the above 2 points the one id be most happy to see would be the size increase of the ship scale.

Point to note - a Carrier having 5 fighter bombers will not make them over powered . Frigs/Cruisers/BC's take them out easy enough as is. Limiting a carrier to being able to ONLY carry 5 at any given time will balance out the swarm.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2011-11-17 23:12:35 UTC
Why?

Carriers already have Fighters and Fighter Bombers were intentionally a S.Carrier-only thing.
D3N3R0TH
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-17 23:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: D3N3R0TH
Its situational - the ability to be able to field something more than 1000dps on larger targets while being limited to numbers.

Lose your Fighterbombers... lose your DPS

Agreed - FB's were intended for Supercarriers ... but super carriers were also not intended to be sub-invincible
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-17 23:46:48 UTC
Are you factoring in the changes to SC's annouced today/recently or are you just ranting? *not meant as a troll*

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D3N3R0TH
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-18 00:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: D3N3R0TH
yea was more of a past tense - the new changes to SC's are great and yes - marks them as not being invincible.

Didnt take it as a Troll :)

I just think the ability is there to make the standard carriers slightly more versatile without overpowering them.

5 BS's will still be able to kill a carrier like it is today - but a bit more DPS out of a carrier will make them think twice about engaging.

Sure a Carrier being on its own is its own risk, and 25 Drones form 5 BS's will still be dangerous vs FighterBombers.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-18 00:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
D3N3R0TH wrote:
yea was more of a past tense - the new changes to SC's are great and yes - marks them as not being invincible.

Didnt take it as a Troll :)

I just think the ability is there to make the standard carriers slightly more versatile without overpowering them.

5 BS's will still be able to kill a carrier like it is today - but a bit more DPS out of a carrier will make them think twice about engaging.

Sure a Carrier being on its own is its own risk, and 25 Drones form 5 BS's will still be dangerous vs FighterBombers.


The carrier only has 2 purposes in life.

Transport and Triage (Logistics)

It is NOT a DPS boat.

The fighters are pruely for defense....always been the case.

Your asking to add a 3rd role...while great...the ship just isn't meant for that.

The point of the changes is to make sub-caps viable again.

If you want to focus on attack ability...a Dreadnaught would be appropriate....even if its designed to shoot POS's and other caps.

PS: Fighters....not Fighter Bombers...giving FB's to a Carrier would be a massive game changer.

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D3N3R0TH
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-18 00:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: D3N3R0TH
fair comment - And i can see your point so wont dwell on it :)

However this takes me to my 2nd point which as initially mentioned is in my books was the more important of the 2.

Ship model scale for carriers.

No harm in making their model scale larger? a 50% increase in model scale would be sufficent in my books. If you can fit unpackaged BS's in its hanger its scale should reflect this.

in direct comparison a Machariel has a volume of just under 600,000m3 but a carrier is 11,250,000m3 ?

Problem Physics?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-18 00:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
D3N3R0TH wrote:
fair comment - And i can see your point so wont dwell on it :)

However this takes me to my 2nd point which as initially mentioned is in my books was the more important of the 2.

Ship model scale for carriers.

No harm in making their model scale larger? a 50% increase in model scale would be sufficent in my books. If you can fit unpackaged BS's in its hanger its scale should reflect this.


That has been a frequent comment brought up not just for carrieres but for ALL ships.

But thats an argument/dsicussion for an another thread/day.

PS: Admitidly I'd love to see a carrier fill other roles but the math just doesn't line up to use the experssion. But I'm content to also grab Dreadnaught on the way to carrier anyway....they are both compartively the same cost and fill their roles equally just as well...but with Tier 3 BC's on the horrizon...I'm forced to hold my judgement for later.

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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#9 - 2011-11-18 10:22:33 UTC
D3N3R0TH wrote:
yea was more of a past tense - the new changes to SC's are great and yes - marks them as not being invincible.

Didnt take it as a Troll :)

I just think the ability is there to make the standard carriers slightly more versatile without overpowering them.

5 BS's will still be able to kill a carrier like it is today - but a bit more DPS out of a carrier will make them think twice about engaging.

Sure a Carrier being on its own is its own risk, and 25 Drones form 5 BS's will still be dangerous vs FighterBombers.


So you're saying that fighter bombers will increase carrier DPS against battleships.

Don't you think you should understand how something works before making a post in assembly hall about how it should be changed?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-18 14:29:04 UTC
Why are we trying to revamp something that has already been revamped and just hasn't been released yet?

Why don't we wait and see what happens with the current revamp?

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Aamrr
#11 - 2011-11-21 22:32:03 UTC
As someone training an alt for for an Archon...

No -- this will just end in tears for everyone involved.