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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2013-11-04 12:54:46 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I don't remember using any bad words...

Remiel Pollard wrote:
I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.

And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.

I feel seriously offended


I'm sorry for you. However, you still haven't demonstrated the bad word I used...

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2013-11-04 12:57:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Yeah but I spent it all on blinks cuz it's fun.

This fits the Eve way of ~life~ - "Hurray for me and **** the rest of yous..."

Blink

In this case it is **** the rest of you, the game and the community


Well, I don't think it's that way at all. I'm just making light of what I consider a massive over-reaction. It's all been quite amusing to witness.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Frying Doom
#403 - 2013-11-04 13:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Well, I don't think it's that way at all. I'm just making light of what I consider a massive over-reaction. It's all been quite amusing to witness.

Yes a business operating for profit in EvE
Selling isk for cash in a round about manner.
That business being given hundreds of billions in ships by CCP
CCP breaking its own EULA for that business
That business invading Fanfests, EvE Vegas and more
That business having a direct Skype to CCP Devs

Yes very amusing.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
RAW23
#404 - 2013-11-04 13:33:21 UTC
Moira Ayindi wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here...

While the rest of us just see it as a business trying to squeeze as much cash out of EvE before they are made to stop offering their 'bonus' and they lose most of the sales pie back to community sites.


And what is wrong with that? CCP is clearly allowing this.



On the contrary, as soon as other people started doing what Somer has been permitted to do for more than two years CCP banned the practice. This is one of the big issues: it was so obviously against the letter and spirit of CCP's loudly proclaimed rules that mass participation in this behaviour was cracked down on immediately. But if it was so manifestly against the rules why was Somer's use of this technique not only silently permitted but directly endorsed?

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#405 - 2013-11-04 14:39:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I think there are a lot of people confusing this act as an act of defiance against CCP when in fact it comes across more as an act of defiance to the tin foil crowd that seems to be growing in numbers around here...



"Tin foil" my ass. They're just trying to make as much money as they can before they have to stop, and people are helping them. Most people don't understand what RMT is, and probably don't care, as demonstrated by the misconception shown here in this thread the CCP itself engages in it with its own PLEX system. All of this is beside the point that RMT -- running a for-profit business out of the game -- is against the EULA and always has been. There's nothing tin foil about that.


CCP 'engages' in it themselves by owning the game, and being its developer, and collecting sub fees.



Exhibit A on display in the name of Remiel Pollard - many players don't understand what RMT is.

It's sad, but it is still beside the point.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#406 - 2013-11-04 14:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
Jythier Smith wrote:
They spent all their money giving out free plex to advertise at Vegas. That investment probably won't pay too many dividends.


I've never used Somer because I don't gamble, but if I did gamble, I'd be willing to bet that each and every one of those plex was bought with ISK from people who played on their site. I seriously doubt Somer shelled out a single real-life cent for any of those plex.

Remiel Pollard wrote:


I'm sorry for you. However, you still haven't demonstrated the bad word I used...


Remember this is an international game, and colloquialisms don't often span borders. I think you're having a translation-based misunderstanding here, taking the phrase "bad words" as meaning swearing, etc.; rather than the more literal "negative comments". I don't believe he is claiming you used foul language (which appears to be what you are assuming), but rather that you made derogatory statements about others.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Citation needed for those figures please.


As has been pointed out, it's been repeated frequently in this thread since the information was uncovered, but here is the relevant article: Somer Blink, A Somer Clone, and GTCs

According to the article, the ultimate source of the figures is Shattered Crystal, a GTC supplier who was SOMER Blink's partner before they moved to Markee Dragon. The figures cited are only for the period of time that Somer worked with Shattered Crystal, and do not include anything brought in during their dealings with MD.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#407 - 2013-11-04 15:10:24 UTC
You're probably right.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#408 - 2013-11-04 15:20:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

CCP breaking its own EULA for that business
.


EULA = END USER License Agreement. CCP isn't an End User. It's not some Bible of CCP conduct. CCP's only responsibilities are to it's own wallet.

CCP can use it's EULA for Toilet paper (they probably do....) and it's no one Else's business but their own. no amount of crying on CCPs forum about issues that have nothing to do with you is going to change that.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#409 - 2013-11-04 15:56:49 UTC
Technically, if CCP wanted to, they could make a separate agreement with Somer Blink allowing them to do things that we do not, but I hope they would charge more for that sort of license.

Also, they probably shouldn't do that.

But they CAN.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#410 - 2013-11-04 16:22:45 UTC
In an effort to assist a fellow gambling-based website in the EVE community, I have developed the following workthrough to help SOMER out once they are no longer able to offer ISK incentives to purchase GTCs through their website in order to fund their apparently exorbitant server costs:

http://myevelotto.com/blink

By adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house.

myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#411 - 2013-11-04 16:33:05 UTC
MyEveLotto wrote:
In an effort to assist a fellow gambling-based website in the EVE community, I have developed the following workthrough to help SOMER out once they are no longer able to offer ISK incentives to purchase GTCs through their website in order to fund their apparently exorbitant server costs:

http://myevelotto.com/blink

By adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house.



wow looking at your lottery site, and the active lotterys for some reason it said scam to me.
MyEveLotto
Doomheim
#412 - 2013-11-04 16:40:36 UTC
Yup. I'm a scam. Because I host so many lotteries. [/sarcasm]

Hint: if you actually check the "about" section, you'll note that I do not host lotteries. I provide a service for others to host lotteries.

That being said, there's certainly a number of old lotteries I'd love to clean out of the system, but they're still "running" so my policy is not to interfere. If any hosts using my system are scammers, and you have proof, however, please let me know as they will lose access to the system.

myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site
thorgil
State War Academy
Caldari State
#413 - 2013-11-04 16:52:33 UTC
"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. "

enough said. I'm not even trying , i don't know why others could.
Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#414 - 2013-11-04 17:15:04 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I don't remember using any bad words...

Remiel Pollard wrote:
I love how butthurt everyone is about them. I've never seen anyone in this game extract as many tears as they have. As far as I'm concerned, if they wanna RMT, like I mean REAL RMT, not this interpretation of RMT that everyone is concocting for their vendetta against SOMER, they've earned it.

And while I'm being honest, this whole kerfuffle over SOMER just seems like a bunch of butthurts who lost too much money playing it and are now on a vendetta to destroy them in any way they can.



I never played Somer Blink (frankly I have no interest in it). What gets to me (and most people I think) is this hypocritical stance by CCP. They are some of the worst, medding, corrupt developers in the gaming industry. They are totally two faced. CCP's stance on RMT (for the last decade) is clear as day...whether its "real" RMT or whatever...RMT is RMT. Its again CCPs decision to irrationally gift SOMER and then their inability to admit fault. This isn't the first time they have done it.

I gain nothing. I lose nothing. I dont contribute to the community in anyway. I don't want their scorpions. This has no impact on me. But from a paying customer perspective... I don't wish to support a company with such a broken ethical code. This is not the initial vision they had for Eve.

- 1 subscription.
Praxston
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#415 - 2013-11-04 18:49:07 UTC
Your right that CCP can do whatever they want as it is their company / game. However, I have unsubbed three accounts and noted the reasons at the end of the unsub process. CCP devs posted in the SOMER thread on eve forums which gave the whole thread a nice little DEV icon while other third party thread got no love. If someone had a name close to SOMER, like SOMBER (like I did once), name change was forced very quickly to protect SOMER. And I'm not too happy that they cracked down on the non-direct RMT process against other and not SOMER... just don't get it. So flaming on forums really isn't productive, I agree... But un-subscribing accounts might get a message across.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#416 - 2013-11-04 19:02:37 UTC
Praxston wrote:
Your right that CCP can do whatever they want as it is their company / game. However, I have unsubbed three accounts and noted the reasons at the end of the unsub process.


This is good, because unsubbing is better than the entitled whining this issue encourages. If it's not your company / game then what's the problem?

Quote:

But un-subscribing accounts might get a message across.


Again, why is a message necessary? . Someone (CCP) did something with someone else that didn't involve or impact (in a real, tangible way) you. I don't even get how people call the whole deal "shady" when CCP has no obligation to share things they do with us. We're customers, not share holders.

Now, if a company I own shares in does something I don't like, I'd be upset for a bit. But some video game maker letting some players have stuff? Not even worthy of a "mr spock-like raised eyebrow".
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#417 - 2013-11-04 19:09:20 UTC
Kamii Yo wrote:
I don't wish to support a company with such a broken ethical code.


1st, you have every right to unsub.

That being said, are we playing Ethical Code online or are we playing a game about space ships and the bastards who fly them?

It CCP were running a "Plex for Blood Diamonds and Human Trafficking" drive I'd quit lol, that's real stuff, but CCP gave some folks some pixles, and lets those same folks make a little cash on the side for maintaining an entertaining out of game site. No big deal and nothing "unethical" about it.

"I don't like it" doesn't equal "unethical". CCP might decide to do something i consider horrible like make all of EVE high sec and go free to play with Gold Ammo in the cash ship. It would be proper then to morn the death of a unique pastime (if i'd put the same time into real life as I have EVE, I'd be rich and have 4 Ph'Ds by now), but come on, have a little context here.

Quote:

This is not the initial vision they had for Eve.


Whatever vision they had, it's their property to change as they see fit, even when you or I hate it.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#418 - 2013-11-04 19:12:11 UTC
Ok so according to Jennaclown we could all start doing indirect RMT because that affects no one.


Noted.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#419 - 2013-11-04 19:25:37 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Ok so according to Jennaclown we could all start doing indirect RMT because that affects no one.


Noted.


If CCP lets you, like they did Somer. If you want to, petition and ask them.

This post reveals what is probably the underlying issue that got many of you types riled up, the whole "it's not fair, I can't do that" thing". It's akin to the "CCP doesn't care about me" immaturity you sometimes see one here. Thing is, I don't remember CCP telling me they'd be fair to me (or care about me) with THEIR money and/or pixels. And it is their money after you pay them, don't liek that, don't pay them.

CCP is a game company, not our family or friends (cool people yea, but still a business). Expecting anything more from them other than access to EVE online when you log in (because you paid your sub) is just plain foolish.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#420 - 2013-11-04 20:03:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

CCP breaking its own EULA for that business
.


EULA = END USER License Agreement. CCP isn't an End User. It's not some Bible of CCP conduct. CCP's only responsibilities are to it's own wallet.

CCP can use it's EULA for Toilet paper (they probably do....) and it's no one Else's business but their own. no amount of crying on CCPs forum about issues that have nothing to do with you is going to change that.

uh no

the EULA is a contract. it binds both parties. it is an agreement between you and ccp. if it didn't bind CCP in any way, it wouldn't be enforceable in most jurisdictions as contracts have to be exchanges instead of one-way

that said most of the restrictions in it only apply to you, you promise not to sell isk for money or whatever and in exchange ccp lets you log in

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.