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CCP breaking the law and causing gambling addiction/ rl problems through their promotions

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Josef Djugashvilis
#61 - 2013-11-04 12:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
To those who say that gambling is a personal choice, you are aware that one can 'legitimately' play Eve aged 13?

I would not have been happy if either of my daughters had gambled in any way shape or form when they were that age.

Somer Blink. scamming CCP, Eve players (add to list as desired) good for them.

13 year old children gambling, not so good.

How many parents of these children are aware that gambling is even possible in the game?

I do not believe CCP have been 'evil' but rather that they have been foolish to have too close a connection to a gambling site.

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Prince Kobol
#62 - 2013-11-04 12:37:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
To those who say that gambling is a personal choice, you are aware that one can 'legitimately' play Eve aged 13?

I would not have been happy if either of my daughters had gambled in any way shape or form when they were that age.

Some Blink. scamming CCP, Eve players (add to list as desired) good for them.

13 year old children gambling, not so good.

How many parents of these children are aware that gambling is even possible in the game?

I do not believe CCP have been 'evil' but rather that they have been foolish to have too close a connection to a gambling site.


So you also believe like Eto Tekai that all forms of gambling should be removed?
Josef Djugashvilis
#63 - 2013-11-04 12:39:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
To those who say that gambling is a personal choice, you are aware that one can 'legitimately' play Eve aged 13?

I would not have been happy if either of my daughters had gambled in any way shape or form when they were that age.

Some Blink. scamming CCP, Eve players (add to list as desired) good for them.

13 year old children gambling, not so good.

How many parents of these children are aware that gambling is even possible in the game?

I do not believe CCP have been 'evil' but rather that they have been foolish to have too close a connection to a gambling site.


So you also believe like Eto Tekai that all forms of gambling should be removed?




It is for CCP to decide.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-11-04 12:44:08 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its just another NickyYo thread people.


Move along, nothing to see here.


You know you've made it as a shiptoaster when the shiptoasters of GD recognise you by name from your awful posting.

Dodixie > Hek
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-11-04 12:44:18 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced upon a lot of compulsive vulnerable eve players..

I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..

Take this story for instance

  • One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.

Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!

Heres another story

  • A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!


The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

I don't like the direction this game is taking,

p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer



Poker isn't gambling, you're just bad at poker.

Going to mcdonalds is gambling with your life.

Playing football is gambling by risking injury.

everything people do has risk involved so it must be gambling.

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Frying Doom
#66 - 2013-11-04 12:45:13 UTC
I think before we worry about all forms of gambling, just getting to CCP to follow its EULA and the case at hand is a good start.
As it covers a lot more than just gambling.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-11-04 12:51:21 UTC
How much are you willing to bet I don't have a gambling problem. Arrow
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-11-04 12:57:22 UTC
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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-11-04 13:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jove Death
Ok

So the legality is

If Somer is based on a US Server and they are letting under the age limit children to gamble then they are breaking the law.

If they are connecting via EvE Online which requires a API key from CCP database to activate SOMER accounts that too is breaking the law.

OH CCP your "were ok we have our own rules in Iceland dont mean **** on this one"

What CCP is actually doing is let minors ie 13 (minumum age for EULA) toplay the game then letting minors below the age of 18 have access to sites in which they can transfer in game isk to bet. Purchasing GTC via SOMER and receiving 1 bill blink credit is actually forcing a minor to gamble which is also braking the law in pretty much every country around the world.

OH forgot to mention. As they are accessing the site via a uk based server where EvE is based your actually letting minors break the law aswell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm

SO IN BIG FAT CAPS. Your breaking the law by not advertising or requesting an authorisation to age when entering SOMER and because CCP are not requesting the age when entering SOMER as you have to when transfering isk you are also breaking pretty much every gambling law there is.

Have fun with that Big smile

Edited: Forgot to say most sites credit cards in cetain countries are banned from paying monies into Lotteries and gambling sites. What SOMER is doing is breaking another law by letting minors and people over 18 pay for GTC and giving them monies in return to gamble which has been paid via a credit card. Thats a big fat no no.


IF CCP actually set a age request when connecting to SOMER via EvE then there safe. Also if SOMER enter a legal age requirement then there safe. If none of the 2 do not have this is place currently then they are breaking modern law in the use of internet gambling and payments.

PS you can contact legal@ccpgames.com but the likely hood of a reply in nil. Ive been trying for 4 months to get a reply from them and omg they havent

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#70 - 2013-11-04 13:30:24 UTC
But, but EVE is a harsh dark world, how adult (aged 13) and his children could possibly play it? And gamble! That topic is so fun to read. Lol

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Frying Doom
#71 - 2013-11-04 13:37:46 UTC
Stupid part is that for the protection of that 13 year old and his/her children, if we post a dirty joke it would be removed.
But gambling is ok.

The EULA pretty much states that there is no minimum age to play this game, but that the adult (13+year old) is responsible to make sure the account remains within the EULA, while CCP is breaking the same EULA.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-11-04 13:40:16 UTC
Jove Death, you're quite wrong. So is Josef. CCP is in no way legally responsible for what people do with their in-game assets. Now, if it was the case that by depositing my ISK into SOMER and winning I was able to then transfer that credit back to CCP and receive a check or deposit in my bank account in real life, they might be breaking a law somewhere. That isn't how it works, however. There is no monetary award from CCP for engaging in these activities.
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#73 - 2013-11-04 13:42:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
I don’t really like what Somer does nor have I ever use their service. But I think this is going to come back around and bite people in the ass at some point…. Just even betting on EvE alliance tournaments will be classed as gambling and using things like the Test alliance betting thing for events like that will also be banned.

I did not think CCP forced people to use Somer services or the eve poker services or any 3rd party gambling things.

Let’s not have a massive knee jerk reaction to this or it might have big implications on other parts of eve. Like gambling in stations when walking in stations become a thing or other things.
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#74 - 2013-11-04 13:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
Dude, let me lay this out for you.

If people are losing copius sums of real life money, buying GTCs or whatnot specifically to gamble ISK... they are the worst gamblers in the history of gambling already.

There is one truth about any third party ISK site. You simply can not get your money back out of the system. Ever.

It's like going to vegas, buying 20k in chips, winning a million, and then never cashing out.

That million bucks in chips will always stay right there in the casino.

That's what ISK gambling is.

Now, the whole somer fire sale thing is pretty scummy, and that's a completely different discussion, and has to do with the EULA and general rules that govern EVE.

You friends that went e-broke or event real-broke due to ISK-gambling promotions and fun events like vegas are responsible for their own misfortunes. Safeguarding stupidity only fosters stupidity. You know how you stop morons from wasting their lives gambling, dying of overdoses, having five kids by the age of sixteen, shooting themselves in the face, or being pretentious morality-vegan twats?

You let them. You tell them they are idiots, and you let them **** up their own situations. Then you laugh and say I told you so.

The smart ones will amend their own behavior. These are not children but functioning adults. Those that do not will suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

People should have to make decisions, and live with them. They don't need you being the overnanny.
Prince Kobol
#75 - 2013-11-04 13:42:59 UTC
Jove Death wrote:
Ok

So the legality is

If Somer is based on a US Server and they are letting under the age limit children to gamble then they are breaking the law.

If they are connecting via EvE Online which requires a API key from CCP database to activate SOMER accounts that too is breaking the law.

OH CCP your "were ok we have our own rules in Iceland dont mean **** on this one"

What CCP is actually doing is let minors ie 13 (minumum age for EULA) toplay the game then letting minors below the age of 18 have access to sites in which they can transfer in game isk to bet. Purchasing GTC via SOMER and receiving 1 bill blink credit is actually forcing a minor to gamble which is also braking the law in pretty much every country around the world.

OH forgot to mention. As they are accessing the site via a uk based server where EvE is based your actually letting minors break the law aswell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm

SO IN BIG FAT CAPS. Your breaking the law by not advertising or requesting an authorisation to age when entering SOMER and because CCP are not requesting the age when entering SOMER as you have to when transfering isk you are also breaking pretty much every gambling law there is.

Have fun with that Big smile

Edited: Forgot to say most sites credit cards in cetain countries are banned from paying monies into Lotteries and gambling sites. What SOMER is doing is breaking another law by letting minors and people over 18 pay for GTC and giving them monies in return to gamble which has been paid via a credit card. Thats a big fat no no.


IF CCP actually set a age request when connecting to SOMER via EvE then there safe. Also if SOMER enter a legal age requirement then there safe. If none of the 2 do not have this is place currently then they are breaking modern law in the use of internet gambling and payments.

PS you can contact legal@ccpgames.com but the likely hood of a reply in nil. Ive been trying for 4 months to get a reply from them and omg they havent


Small little thing.. Wikipedia isn't the law Big smile

This is where you need to go as regards to gambling in the UK..

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/

Read this and please stop internet layering Big smile
Frying Doom
#76 - 2013-11-04 13:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Prince Kobol wrote:


Small little thing.. Wikipedia isn't the law Big smile

This is where you need to go as regards to gambling in the UK..

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/

Read this and please stop internet layering Big smile


Gambling act 2005 wrote:
Meaning of “child” and “young person”

(1)In this Act “child” means an individual who is less than 16 years old.

(2)In this Act “young person” means an individual who is not a child but who is less than 18 years old.

Gambling act 2005 wrote:
46 Invitation to gamble

(1)A person commits an offence if he invites, causes or permits a child or young person to gamble.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-11-04 14:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: oOReikaOo Michiko
Everyone realizes that in order for it to be a gambling site, you have to be able to cash out your winnings right?

You wouldn't have done 4 pages of nonsense without knowing that ... RIGHT?

*edit* otherwise all your doing is paying money to play SOMER Blink the gambling game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Frying Doom
#78 - 2013-11-04 14:13:57 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Everyone realizes that in order for it to be a gambling site, you have to be able to cash out your winnings right?

You wouldn't have done 4 pages of nonsense without knowing that ... RIGHT?

*edit* otherwise all your doing is paying money to play SOMER Blink the gambling game...

Actually that depends on the jurisdiction

Some the ability to bet is enough, in the uk it is the ability to bet or get a prize depending on the section.

Gambling act 2005 wrote:

9 Betting: general3 Gambling

In this Act “gambling” means—

(a)gaming (within the meaning of section 6),

(b)betting (within the meaning of section 9), and

(c)participating in a lottery (within the meaning of section 14 and subject to section 15).

6 Gaming & game of chance
(1)In this Act “betting” means making or accepting a bet on—

(a)the outcome of a race, competition or other event or process,

(b)the likelihood of anything occurring or not occurring, or

(c)whether anything is or is not true.

14 Lottery
(4)In this Act “prize” in relation to lotteries includes any money, articles or services—

(a)whether or not described as a prize, and

(b)whether or not consisting wholly or partly of money paid, or articles or services provided, by the members of the class among whom the prize is allocated.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#79 - 2013-11-04 14:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
double post

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-11-04 14:18:02 UTC
You know how many games would fall under that... i cant imagine how many facebook slot games there are... I know i played a facebook poker game where u could buy more chips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY