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CCP breaking the law and causing gambling addiction/ rl problems through their promotions

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#21 - 2013-11-03 23:51:33 UTC
why did you bold and underline the word holiday?

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#22 - 2013-11-04 00:04:37 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced uponforcing yout of compulsive vulnerable eve players..

I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..

Take this story for instance

  • One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.

Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!

Heres another story

  • A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!


The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

I don't like the direction this game is taking,

p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer


Wtf happened to personal responsibility, you did those things and so did your friends, if it goes wrong then tough ****, HTFU and take it on the chin, like a real capsuleer. Nobody forced you to gamble. I am not happy about the whole somer blink thing, but nobody is forcing you to do anything. Self control includes the word self for a reason.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#23 - 2013-11-04 00:20:05 UTC
I dont see how CCP is at fault for encourgeing people to gamble. its not like their saying hey play this game and win isk. thro spending isk???


Your obviously just another problem player who obviosuly is seeking attention.
get off your computer, and go play outside in RL for a change.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#24 - 2013-11-04 00:23:59 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."
You need to learn to read.


He thinks because some might be vulnerable, we should discourage gambling because some might be vulnerable.

Some might be underage, so we have to discourage gambling for everyone.

Some might have spent real cash.

People took advantage of some people, so he feels sick.

I read the whole thing and stand by my words. The OP is a ******* idiot.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-11-04 00:32:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
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Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.


That's simultaneously; an admission that what they are providing is toxic and a cover against any responsibility for that.
This whole idea of 'personal responsibility' has been force-fed to the public by people who trade in anti-social and poisonous goods. It's appealing as an idea because it allows you to one-shot the argument of someone who's life has been ruined.

For example: shutup, losers.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#26 - 2013-11-04 00:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Icarus Able
If someone uses RL money for gambling its their own damn fault.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-11-04 00:54:56 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
The OP is a ******* idiot.


Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad.

You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have".

Wordy yes.

Makes me look bad for saying it. No.

Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#28 - 2013-11-04 00:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Eve is on the internet.
Porn is on the internet.
Eve is a gateway for porn...
...or perhaps porn is a gateway for Eve?

Running to get my tinfoil hat and moisturiser cream :D

Omfg it has censored it! All I can say is Eve is the most entertaining game not to play ;)
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#29 - 2013-11-04 01:00:04 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
Welcome back sir! GD hasn't been the same without you

You mean quieter... right?

Though... I guess he does serve as a decent, if trollish, lightning rod for various fear mongering rumors and conspiracy theories.

How did you Veterans start?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#30 - 2013-11-04 01:01:24 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
The OP is a ******* idiot.


Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad.

You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have".

Wordy yes.

Makes me look bad for saying it. No.

Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.


Maybe behind the asterisks is "well-meaning." Take it as you will. If someone is offended by being called dumb, then all hope is lost.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#31 - 2013-11-04 01:02:16 UTC
*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-04 01:03:16 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
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Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.


That's simultaneously; an admission that what they are providing is toxic and a cover against any responsibility for that.
This whole idea of 'personal responsibility' has been force-fed to the public by people who trade in anti-social and poisonous goods. It's appealing as an idea because it allows you to one-shot the argument of someone who's life has been ruined.

For example: shutup, losers.





No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-11-04 01:13:45 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
The OP is a ******* idiot.


Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad.

You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have".

Wordy yes.

Makes me look bad for saying it. No.

Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.


Maybe behind the asterisks is "well-meaning." Take it as you will. If someone is offended by being called dumb, then all hope is lost.


Calling someone dumb is a personal attack even if its true.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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stoicfaux
#34 - 2013-11-04 01:27:52 UTC
Thrice damned, bloody mother fornicating spawn of a jackal she-dog! Evil

I really detest having to like one of NickyYo's posts.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-11-04 01:53:58 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple.


Sure...if you're twelve.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
#36 - 2013-11-04 02:22:36 UTC
Gambling is Illegal in my state unless its the state sponsored lottery so I don't gamble.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#37 - 2013-11-04 02:25:25 UTC
Oh ffs, there is no end to all these somer threads.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-11-04 02:33:36 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple.


Sure...if you're twelve.


I'm sorry to hear you lost your free will at 13. Is that common in the part of the world you're from? And how does it work? Indentured servitude? Slavery? Corporal punishment? Please, I'm always interested in learning about foreign culture. Is it state sponsored, or only local tradition? Does the Human Rights Watch know? And finally, who made you subscribe to EVE Online, come on the forums today, read this thread and then reply to it? And how did they do so? Will they punish you for answering me without permission. I'm very sorry to learn of your plight, I'll be watching the news to see if they pick up this story of people being forced to read the EVE-O forums.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#39 - 2013-11-04 02:57:27 UTC
You should play something by NCSoft/ANet. Black Lion Chests is straight up gambling but due to the nature involved (ie. virtual currency regardless if purchased with real money) it circumvents the laws. Thus allowing minors to gamble (ultimately with RL money).

As far as CCP goes though, they are guilty of far worse with the kind of psychological behavior they encourage.

Scenario 1:

Person A and person B knew each other. They later came to hate each other. All fine when kept in the game right?
Person A know person B's RL name and city in which they live so Person A calls the cops on person B saying that person B said that they were gonna kill themselves. Person B ends up being put on suicide watch.

Person B brought this to CCP's attention. CCP does nothing.


Scenario 2:

Well, let's just say that this one involves a person (and a few of this person's colleagues) actively stalked and harassed who should've been on suicide watch just to see if they could push him to do it. CCP's action? The main guy responsible gets a temp ban?

****, the main guy should be seeing the inside of a court room at the very least. His account should've been completely wiped (perma banned) and he should be under watch himself to ensure he can't play any MMO for at least a year.

So while gambling is an issue with MMOs, CCP is guilty of much worse.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#40 - 2013-11-04 03:21:30 UTC
In neither of those scenario's should CCP be taking further action.
If further action is required it is a police/court matter. Not a CCP matter. CCP acted within the limits of their responsibility. Court rooms are not CCP's area to bring charges.