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CCP breaking the law and causing gambling addiction/ rl problems through their promotions

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-11-03 22:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced upon a lot of compulsive vulnerable eve players..

I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..

Take this story for instance

  • One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.

Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!

Heres another story


  • A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!


The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

I don't like the direction this game is taking,

p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2013-11-03 22:07:52 UTC
Its just another NickyYo thread people.


Move along, nothing to see here.


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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2013-11-03 22:14:19 UTC
NickyYo wrote:


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of addiction so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!



It's not that they are encouraging gambling. It's that they are allowing stupidity.

If you want a company to hold your hand, WOW is always looking for new players.

Mr Epeen Cool
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-11-03 22:17:59 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
NickyYo wrote:


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of addiction so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!



It's not that they are encouraging gambling. It's that they are allowing stupidity.

If you want a company to hold your hand, WOW is always looking for new players.

Mr Epeen Cool



Well i would agree with you but this is different, its all effectively happening out of game! it has nothing to do with eves game mechanics nor in the EULA, your comment is stupid and invalid.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-11-03 22:20:56 UTC
In regards to gambling in general it's my personal opinion that there's such a thing as personal responsibility. Some people are more susceptible to becoming addicted to things than others, but at the end of the day no-one is forcing that person to play. If someone wants to gamble away all their belongings then that's their own choice.

By extension you could say that market speculation in EVE is gambling. Someone might lose everything they have on a bad deal and, convinced it won't happen again, buy 1000 dollars worth of PLEX to try again. And again, and again. It's essentially the same thing as a gambling site like Somer or EVE Poker. More importantly, the market is the backbone of the entire game. If CCP were to be forced to remove the market gambling then it would essentially kill the entire game.

I don't think CCP should have any responsibility in this area. They are promoting what is to be considered a fun game that is played with fake money. At no point are they encouraging anyone to invest real money in any site (not gonna go into the Somer debate again. Everything there is to say about that has been said at this point).

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The Minions.
#6 - 2013-11-03 22:21:11 UTC
TL;DR gonna dance with this chicken wing.

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-11-03 22:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
TigerXtrm wrote:

I don't think CCP should have any responsibility in this area. They are promoting what is to be considered a fun game that is played with fake money.


NO they are not! they are promoting SOMER who are effectivly promoting BUY GTC on a gambling page!! when people lose there somer credits they go spend real money on a gtc!! this is real money gambling!! just like when you deposit money on a gambling site and it then turns into a virtual currency!!


Its just like buying a scratch card to win a car or a holiday!!! people are buying gtc to do it!! its real gambling and CCP are in real trouble with the lawif this is brought to light.


CCP knows exactly what they're involved with and is probably why they're promoting it through a 3rd party..
CCP needs to be carefull in this area!! i can see a court case appearing and winning!

To solve this problem, CCP has to deny 3rd party gambling of isk!

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-11-03 22:33:54 UTC
God, you're dense... Roll

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#9 - 2013-11-03 22:42:15 UTC
This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

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#10 - 2013-11-03 22:45:20 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."
You need to learn to read.
Seven Koskanaiken
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SONS of BANE
#11 - 2013-11-03 22:49:03 UTC
the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling
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Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-03 22:55:09 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling
That's pretty deep.
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#13 - 2013-11-03 22:55:30 UTC
Trolls gonna troll...


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#14 - 2013-11-03 23:11:30 UTC
Well the truth is that buying plex should come with a stated warning and have a toll free number for gambling addiction help just like all the other gambling sites.

Really... EVE is just a glorified poker game in which you destroy other people's time and money except you can never withdraw the money back into real life... Unless you are Somer Blink.

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#15 - 2013-11-03 23:14:12 UTC
But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-11-03 23:23:57 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.


Even if you are good at poker eventually you will lose especially if you are playing against the house. I don't have anything against people losing their money, but there should be odds disclaimers.

Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.

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#17 - 2013-11-03 23:25:36 UTC
This is exactly why it works so well to have it third party. Both sides profit while things are good and when problems arise ccp can cut them loose with relative ease and cleanliness )))
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-11-03 23:40:43 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.


Even if you are good at poker eventually you will lose especially if you are playing against the house. I don't have anything against people losing their money, but there should be odds disclaimers.

Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.


Poker is not gambling Cool

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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
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#19 - 2013-11-03 23:43:09 UTC
I think we can admit its always been about the money
Thead Enco
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#20 - 2013-11-03 23:48:38 UTC
Welcome back sir! GD hasn't been the same without you
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