Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The tears are strong with this one...

So T1 industrials, esp in the planet goo category, are now safer to fly than they were. Hunter of said ships would like that rolled back a bit and proposes some ideas. I don't know enough about game mechanics to really comment on the proposals Penny made, but I can say that due to the discovery scanner announcing every new signature as it appears that catching ships in wh space is already significantly harder. So the T1 industrials in question really got 2 buffs, not just one.

Some of the counter proposals in this thread involve the use of non-cov ops cloaked ships. In other areas of space that might be a viable solution. But only the most moronic planet gooer is going to be outside of the POS with any ship on dscan in wh space. Since the gooer has to be stalked from planet to planet, you'll not be doing that in your battlecruiser. You pretty much have to land at the POCO at the same time or just a little bit after he does. Any longer and he will be gone. Its not like there is a lot of paperwork to fill out at the customs office. Usually you have the customs office open and your inventory window open before landing. As soon as you come out of warp you drag and drop and align out.

"Since the gooer has to be stalked from planet to planet," is incorrect, that's one method, but only one method, you could also sit and wait at a poco out of range of the pos.

If you're using the method of using a covops to see where the gooer is going, then warping to him at the poco, that's still possible, but it requires 2 accounts with 2 pilots in the wh, and the second pilot carefully out of range of dscan of the pos.

"You pretty much have to land at the POCO at the same time or just a little bit after he does"

align time with an epithal is like 9 seconds, so if 9 seconds is just a little bit, then yes.

It's definitely harder to catch an epithal than it was to catch an itty 5, that's not in dispute. The real point here is that catching an epithal is pointless anyway, they cost like 1m isk and that's all you get...why do you even care about that?

Requiring 2 accounts to catch a T1 hauler is a little extreme.

And it also isn't as simple as sitting out of range of the POS. You need to sit out of range of the POS and any other POCO that the gooer may visit first. Even in systems that have planets out of range of the POS, the chances of your staying out of d-scan range of the hauler until he visits the POCO you've chosen to sit at is minimal



Because it provides a brief moment of action during long periods of scanning for nothing, particularly now that the discovery scanner means we are unlikely to catch many pilots doing anything serious? And shouldn't there be some risk from doing planet goo in null-sec w-space, even from a lone explorer?

No one is 'requiring 2 accounts', I merely mentioned a method with 2 accounts. A method for doing it effectively with 1 pilot was mentioned to you, but you don't like it.




There isn't now, and there never was. Should there be?....yes, I suppose there should be. If I think of a good suggestion to add it in, I'll make it here.

Most epithals in a wh are triple or quad-stabbed. Talking about "dual point"ing is not furthering either side of this discussion, just making you look bad.

Penny probably should have mentioned that she's a W-Spacer, so suggestions that she attack the POCO's is undoable. They have reinforcement timers and the connection is at most 24h and then you'll possibly never see them again. They can wait out the WH and rep up the POCO safely.


A lot of these feelings from W-Spacers such as myself come down to the feeling that CCP has forgotten about W-Space completely. Changes keep going in that do damage to W-Space life for the worse, especially for the solo roamer and it feels a lot like what's the point anymore. I've seen precisely ONE Dev post in the Wormhole forums and it was CCP Fozzie making a joke about the wormhole fanfest talk having mass limits. It used to take skill and practice to combat scan someone down, now it doesn't. People know you're coming before you even enter the system due to the Discovery Scanner. Soon we'll get a T3 "rebalance" that'll fix their use everywhere but end their use in micro gang and solo W-Space completely. Seems the only way CCP wants you to play is like nullsec fleets, run a scout ahead of a pack of cheap ships. Guess we're not bringing solo back after all.

Maybe the warp changes will help out a bit....

And a random side note. Last night I saw a guy with 30 alts (10 accounts) who had 2 friends with at least 3 accounts each, all for PI. You ever want to know why your PLEX prices keep going up, that's why. I'd like to help you but the PI haulers are all quad stabbed and they throw their PI back into the POCO...

When the WH closes, do the ships that already passed through explode? POS's have reinforcement timers. People take down POS's in w-space. Taking down a POCO is much much faster than taking down a POS, a fraction of the EHP, no guns/ECM, similar reinforce timer. QED, you're wrong. Obviously the reward from taking down a POCO is much less than that for taking down a pinata POS, but you don't get any drops from hunting epithals at POCO's either, so obviously you guys don't care about drops.




You make many cogent points that I find persuasive, although in the end they support my point, if you bring it back around. I'm basically saying "CCP meant this to happen, so that you would do these other things instead of what you're doing now". You're basically saying "CCP is doing stuff that makes what we're doing now not fun, and this is more of the same, so we don't like it." See what I mean, you're just agreeing with me.





No, that's not why.

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Touché.